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I'm making these postings by request; I've been told that they haven't
been showing up from Canadian accounts.  I append the details of my
correspondence in the issue below, and will include the postings in
general in a series under the heading "concerning Valery Fabrikant".

I know little about the case myself, but to the degree I understand it, a
piece of his personal E-mail referring to a judge as "Chief Injustice"
was referred to that judge, and incredibly, under Canadian law he was
subject to imprisonment for up to one year for that horrendous offense. 
Facing the possibility of prison, he got a gun and shot four of the
people involved in the court case to death.  An understandable impulse,
though I must register my regrets that the fine-minded lawmakers who
devised such a law were denied a fair share of the rewards.

I'm still not certain that real censorship is going on here with these
postings I'm quoting now, but the "Stamler" message that I received by
E-mail and will post now is definitely NOT on Dejanews.









[please note that the following correspondence is provided for contextual
reference only; the main postings of note are included in separate files
due to their size]

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From: "Maya Tyker" <hollyric@colba.net>
To: <mayday@super.newsguy.com>
Subject: Valery Fabrikant
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:37:19 -0500

        Sir, this message is sent to you by my son. I have read your
posting in
response to Dunphy's. I appreciate your stand against censorship.
Recently,
my son has made several posting in the group Mtl.general, and SPRINT has
disconnected his Internet account. Now he is using another company, and my
wife is afraid to allow him to do any posting at all.

        Please let me know if you might be interested to help. My son
would send
you the files to be posted, you do the posting, download the responses,
print them and mail them to me, or E-mail them to my son and he would do
the printing and mailing. Please let me know about yourself as much as you
feel comfortable to do. Thank you.

       Fabrikant.

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Next, I went to Dejanews, http://www.dejanews.com/, a Usenet archive
service.

Dejanews admits the existence of only two messages from
ifabrikant@sprint.ca:

Subject:      FREE NUDITY-> SEX!!!
From:         "Isaac Fabrikant" <ifabrikant@sprint.ca>
Date:         1998/01/25
Message-ID:   <01bd29b0$c0b963c0$d41a67d1@default>
Cache-Post-Path: michelob!unknown@spc-isp-mon-uas-15-11.sprint.ca
Organization: Sprint Canada Inc.
Newsgroups:   mtl.general

I was just trying to get your attention to read the  "Dr.Fabriant" and
"Stamler" message.
As well as "Media"
Send comments!!! any!!

Subject:      FREE NUDITY -> SEX!!!
From:         "Isaac Fabrikant" <ifabrikant@sprint.ca>
Date:         1998/01/25
Message-ID:   <01bd29b0$494b5aa0$d41a67d1@default>
Cache-Post-Path: michelob!unknown@spc-isp-mon-uas-15-11.sprint.ca
Organization: Sprint Canada Inc.
Newsgroups:   sci.research.careers

I was just trying to get your attention to look at  "DR.Fabrikant"
message.And read it!!!!


First, are these the only two messages he sent out?  Conceivably a
message from a day or two ago might not yet be indexed.  If he has
posted messages missing (censored) from Dejanews, I'd DEFINITELY
like to know about them.

Second, the corporate ISP's (telephone companies and 'online
services' like AOL) are the worst of the censors.  I can imagine
that if some group of people (for whatever reason...) decided
to complain about a "sex" message in sci.research.careers, that
someplace like Sprint would really throw someone off.

HOWEVER, there are a vast number of excellent ISP's which 
have a greater commitment to free speech.  For instance, you
can browse the list of those mirroring the "Zundel Site" (a
Holocaust Revisionist site, supposedly illegal in Canada) and
at least one is clearly in Ontario.  And obviously, there will
be other sites which at least don't throw someone off for two
messages to two groups.

http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/misc/mirrors.html

While I'd be willing to do some reposting if necessary, I very,
VERY strongly urge you to find a real ISP that doesn't try to
intimidate you into silence.  I mean, this is really a case where
"the medium is the message"!  We shouldn't have to resort to
absurd circumventions when there really are ISP's out there
supporting free speech.  You'll be able to post more stuff, more
often, if you can do it directly; and by having an ISP that won't
censor you, you will directly fund FREE SPEECH, rather than
directly funding censorship!  I really feel strongly about that,
nobody should be paying somebody $15-20 a month [US] to
be afraid to use the service supposedly provided.  If we want
to stop censorship, we ought to begin by refusing to volunteer
funding for it!

Also, I should just check to make sure you know that
Edgar Karapetian is already posting relevant information,
such as:

Subject:      Dr. Fabrikant about jail's budgets
From:         edgar karapetian <ekarapet@emerald.tufts.edu>
Date:         1998/04/09
Message-ID:   <6gitvh$u6f$1@news3.tufts.edu>
X-Complaints-To: news@news.tufts.edu
X-Trace:      news3.tufts.edu 892140337 30927 (None) 130.64.1.16
Organization: Tufts University
Newsgroups:   can.general

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[since this is a subsequent message, it can't be the one he's referring
to:]

READING JAIL BUDGET: HOW MUCH MONEY IS SPENT 
ON PRISONERS?

Donnacona jail has about 360 prisoners and 300 employees. 
The total spendings for the fiscal year 1995-96 was $ 
23,236,325. If you divide this amount by the number of 
prisoners (360), you will get the figure about $ 64,500. This is 
why the press claims that it cost taxpayer so much money just 
to keep one prisoner in jail per year. The public gets an 
impression that it is the prisoner, who gets some extreme 
benefits, some even think that, say, killing of one prisoner 
would save taxpayer over $ 65,000. So, I have decided to 
check, how much money are really spent on prisoners and how 
much is spent to line pockets of the non-convicted criminals - 
employees of Correctional Service Canada.

Here is the summary of the main expenses:

Salary                          12,823,788
Overtime                        1,230,683
Benefits                        1,716,417
Operational expenses            5,251,249
Training                           505,477
Minor construction              1,119,247

The major item is salary. Why would one need to have 300 
employees to guard 360 prisoners? It is my understanding that 
in US they have one employee for 3 prisoners, here we have 
almost one to one. Are canadian prisoners more dangerous than 
american? When I asked one of the guards, why do they need 
so many, he responded that, for example, if one attacks me, 
they would need many guards to intervene and to save me. 
Nobody has attacked me so far, but I have seen quite a number 
of attacks, and there was not a single case where guards would 
intervene to save someone. On the contrary, they seem to like 
such events, it gives them sadistic pleasure of seeing someone 
being beaten or killed.

I still remember a prisoner being beaten in the gym 
unconscious. There are three observation posts in the gym, 
guard are sitting there with loaded weapon, none eve raised a 
voice to stop the beating. When the beating was finished, 
several guards came to the gate to collect the body. They did 
not enter the gym, they waited until several prisoners brought 
the body to the gate, then guards demanded that all the 
prisoners in the gym stepped back at least 30 meters, then they 
quickly opened the gate, took the body and immediately closed 
the gate. There are security cameras, microphones, observation 
posts practically everywhere in jail, nevertheless, when 
someone gets killed, guards saw nothing, security cameras 
malfunction, etc.

The second reason was given to me for having so many 
employees - to be able to intervene quickly in the case of riot. I 
have seen quite a number of riots, not only nobody intervened, 
on the contrary, the riots were deliberately provoked by guards, 
who had labor disputes with the administration.

Overtime. It constitutes about 10% of the salary and creates 
impression that even 300 employees are not enough to get the 
work done. This sounds incredible, and it is, especially taking 
into consideration that all jobs, related to cleaning, laundry and 
cooking is done by prisoners. Here is a little dirty secret, how 
overtime is artificially created. According to the contract, all 
time worked after the first 8 hours is overtime, so guards are 
staying at work for 16 hours at a time, they do not work in total 
an hour more per month than they are supposed to, but they 
work in chunks of 16 hours, and this creates overtime. Taking 
into consideration that 90% of their time guards are telling each 
other latest gossips, it is not so difficult to work for 16 hours. 
Over $1.2 million was wasted, while jailors claim not to have 
money for prisoners' food and education.

Some highlights of the operational expenses. Jailors initially 
allocated $662,236 for training of inmates, they spent 
$528,868, underspending about $123,000, and they still claim 
that they do not have enough money for education. Yet another 
$912,300 were allocated for health services, the amount spent 
is $880,047. What do the prisoners get for these money? A 
doctor, who does not give a damn about prisoners' health. 
Whenever a prisoner complains on a pain, a pain killer is 
prescribed, he does not even try to find out what causes the 
pain. We have a dentist, who seems to get pleasure of ravaging 
prisoners' mouths. He told me that I had 5 cavities, while I 
knew I had none. Majority of prisoners do not understand it and 
let him extract teeth which could be and should be repaired. So 
many inmates, young people wear dentures. There are also a 
number of nurses, who equally do not give a damn about 
prisoners' health. A relatively young prisoner (44 years of age) 
had a heart attack. They kept him in jail for 6 hours, so that 
when they brought him to hospital, he was already dead. There 
is an expense of $159,852 on "other professional services" and 
$146,900 on just "other services". I would love to know what 
these are. Jailors claim $257,212 on purchases for canteen, 
while clearly, it is the prisoners who pay in the final account.

There is $116,374 for office equipment supplies and yet another 
$311,128 for oper. equip. and suppl. I have great difficulty 
absorbing these figures. The amount of $387,025 was spent on 
building repairs, and $132,957 for equipment repairs. I wonder 
whether this was the cost of the riots. If it was, it certainly is 
exaggerated: it comes to over $1,000 for each cell, but not all 
cells were damaged, and the damage was mainly limited to the 
sink and toilet.

I wonder, how much water and electricity one should consume 
in order to spend $620,255 for public utilities. The food item in 
the budget is not separated between prisoners rations and the 
guards' rations, but I have been told that about $5 is allocated 
for food per prisoner per day. This does not mean that prisoner 
really gets that value in his rations: a lot of food is wasted 
and/or stolen by guards. There is in the budget a mysterious 
$225,726 expense called "relocation expenditures". I still can 
not get any clarification on what this is. Except for $5,139, I 
did not find an expense related to inmate clothing. This is 
probably due to the fact that clothing is being produced in jails, 
so it does not cost much.

The inmate pay was initially allocated $398,340, the real pay 
was $347,593, over $50,000 were effectively stolen. Prisoners 
asked for opening of numerous useful positions, and each time 
jailors say no. They also use various tricks to underpay 
prisoners, using the fact that majority of prisoners do not check 
their pay sheets.

The "minor construction" is not so minor. One can get a lot for 
over $1.1 million. It looks like someone got a lot of kickbacks, 
since nothing of that magnitude was constructed in jail. I will 
try to find out more details and will post them.

As a conclusion, we may easily compute that jailors salary, 
overtime and benefits take 68% of the budget. If we take 
inmate food, pay, medical care and education, we come to less 
than 11% of the budget. So, killing of a prisoner would not 
save much since the doctor would not be fired, and the dentist 
would stay as well, and guards would not be fired either: they 
have job security.

If you really want to save money, try to fire guards, this is 
where the great savings are.

                                Signed: V.I. Fabrikant

Subject:      Re: Dr. Fabrikant about jail's budgets
From:         "Maya Tyker" <mtyker@sprint.ca>
Date:         1998/04/15
Message-ID:   <01bd6809$5ebed140$beaa59d1@colba.colba.net>
References:   <6gitvh$u6f$1@news3.tufts.edu>
Organization: Colba Net Inc.
Newsgroups:   can.general

I think you are right!
Who else agrees?

[note:  the thread below bears the hallmarks of a certain group of people
of whom
I suspect some of being some kind of political infiltrators/disruptors. 
I have
NOT determined who is who or what they're up to, but I've seen them in
action
continuously for years now.  Since the name "Fabrikant" comes up in this
context
they may bear watching]

Subject:      Re: Bob Allisat Should Be Mounted & Then Stuffed
From:         pv02@lehigh.edu (Peter Vorobieff)
Date:         1995/07/17
Message-ID:   <3ueb1v$1bfl@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu>
References:   <DAp4KI.L71.0.queen@torfree.net>
<3siro4$lor@deep.rsoft.bc.ca>
Followup-To:  news.admin.misc,alt.usenet.kooks
Organization: The Pit of Shoggoths
Newsgroups:  
tor.general,ont.general,can.general,mtl.general,bc.general,aus.general,
k.general,nyc.general,ny.general,la.general,ca.general,ab.general,ns.ge
eral,nb.general,pei.general,nz.general,news.admin.net-abuse.misc

Folks, please note the redirection of the followups to the
places where this thread BELONGS.

In article <DMEYERS.95Jul17131445@panix.panix.com>,
   dmeyers@panix.com (David Meyers) wrote:

>You can scream "fuck new.newusers" all you want, but it
>will buy you admittance to many killfiles,

Verily, the critter is there.

 and
>will buy your sysadmin lots of grief as people out there send 
>complaints to him.

Not necessarily, some still find the critter entertaining.

For a kook he's OK: he doesn't spam, he doesn't write snail mail
to sysadmins of people who flame him and he hasn't yet tried to
kill anybody, quite unlike that Fabrikant guy. Such harmless 
kooks actually should be preserved. Especially ones from Toronto.
Really must be something special about the place.

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From: "Maya Tyker" <hollyric@colba.net>
To: <mayday@newsguy.com>
Subject: Postings
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 09:25:46 -0500


As you see my postings have disappeared, I asked my son to send you 3 of
them. Please post them at concordia.general , mtl.general and can.general.
Please follow up so that they would not disappear.