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There is nothing new about this info, but thanks for bringing it up. I
disagree with experimenting on animals, but that is a different issue.
It was always standard practice to experiment on students at McGill, but
the point that must be mentioned is that they were volunteers and were
paid for taking part. The ethics of experimenting on people is a complex
one. I can understand experiments on visual perception, etc., where no
injury is caused, but I heard about an experiment in which the students
would have a balloon with a long tube put down into their stomach, then
they would put some extremely cold fluid in there to see the effects of
reducing the stomach to a near-freezing level. It sounds gruesome to me,
but they apparently were paid quite well.
	Also, re the LSD tests, a lot of experimentation was done on mental
patients at the Allen Memorial Institute by Dr. E. Cameron (I can't
remember if the E. is for Ewen or Ewing). In any case, McGill professor
Dr. Hebb, one of the noted behaviorists of the day, and disciple of
B.F.Skinner, had criticized what Cameron was doing, but failed to
actually blow the whistle. It was no secret that some of Hebb's own
experiments in sensory deprivation were of value to the US military
because they wanted data on the effects on pilots of flying B-52's in
darkness on very long flights.
	There is nothing subversive in what I've written here. One can get
books about it in public libraries. There is nothing being "uncovered"
in reporting these things. Well, maybe that info has been swept under
the rug over the years and is being "uncovered" by later generations.
	Has anyone ever gone back through the archives of copies of the McGill
daily from the years when those experiments occurred? Someone I know who
told me about this said that there were advertisements in the Daily for
the LSD experiments, and that the volunteers had to be over 21 years old
or have parental permission. It was apparently all very out in the open
at that time, although I doubt that the allegedly involvement of the US
military was mentioned in print.

											Michael H.


* Huggy * wrote:
> 
> Courtesy of:
> http://www.radiotelephone.net/mcgill/lsd.htm
> http://www.radiotelephone.net/mcgill/myth.htm
> 
> IMPORTANT:
> 
> The students are used without their knowledge !
> (Please accompany with Myth of McGill
> University).   It is very scary.
> 
> McGill is the Canada's "greatest"  university of
> all ?   Think again.
> Please do not support malicious human and
> animal testing in our society !   Ph.Ds are
> responsible ?  Ph.Ds are honest ?   Question again
> !
> 
> 
>               Military funded McGill LSD trial
> 
> Eight volunteered in '60s
> [Comment:  That's just 30 years ago.   And it's about after 30 years
> of W.W.II as well.  It is fairly new. It's about
>                                       the time when students in
> graduate program [now] were born.]
> 
>                                             Southam News / Ottawa
> Citizen / Montreal Gazette
> 
> OTTAWA - The Canadian military funded LSD experiment on students and
> musicians in Montreal in
> the early 1960s.  The tests were part of a larger military-research
> program to explore the effects of powerful
> mind-altering drugs at the height of the Cold War.      Newly
> uncovered records show Canada's Defence
> Research Board sponsored LSD tests at McGill University and studied
> even more powerful hallucinogens in
> secret experiments in rural Alberta.    In the 1964 McGill tests,
> researchers injected volunteers - six students
> and two professional musicians - with LSD and showed them ink drawings
> to determine the effects on
> visual perception.     At the Defence Research Establishment Suffield
> in Ralston, Alberta., scientists administered
> doses of LSD and other psychotropic drugs to laboratory rats to
> explore the potential of the substances to
> control human behaviour.  The Alberta researchers obtained the most
> potent of the hallucinogens from the
> American Army Chemical Centre at Edgewood Arsenal in Maryland, which
> collaborated with the U.S. Central
> Intelligence Agency in a race against the East Bloc to develop
> mind-control drugs.
> Please see DRUG, Page A2
> 
> DRUG A2 Continued from A1
>                  Allan MDs administered LSD
> 
> [picture]
> 
>    Dr. Herbert Madill conducted animal studies with phamacological
> agents (by Denis Cahill, Ottawa
>                                         Citizen)
>       Notice his laughing face. Notice his attitude for animal
> experiments including humans.
> 
> "It was after the Korean War, when mind control and this type of thing
> was thought to be very important," said
> Dr. Herbert (Dinny) Madill, who conducted animal studies with
> pharmacological agents at Suffield, in an
> interview.   "We researched this family of drugs, and certainly LSD
> was one."   The documents, obtained by
> Southam News and the Ottawa Citizen, are believed to be the first
> public indication the Canadian military tested
> brain-altering drugs, albeit on a much smaller scale than the
> Americans.    U.S. author Allen Hornblum, whose
> recent book, Acres of Skin, extensively documents CIA-funded
> experiments on inmates at a
> Pennsylvania prison, said he's not surprised by the Canadian
> military's interest in hallucinogens. "The CIA
> spend a lot of years and spent a lot of dollars to develop some sort
> of magic bullet, some potion they could give
> a soldier, or anyone else, who would then do their bidding."   The
> 1959 novel The Manchurian Candidate, by
> Richard Condon, popularized the notion of millitary-sponsored mind
> control.      The best-seller, later a movie
> starring Frank Sinatra, featured a communist plot to brainwash a
> captured American soldier in Manchuria,
> programming him to assassinate the U.S. president.    Little did
> audiences know, life imitated art as U.S.
> scientists clandestinely explored these very concepts.  "Very simply,"
> Hornblum said, "they were trying
> to create the Manchurian Candidate."    Hornblum's book describes US
> military experiments, some
> involving prisoners, to investigate the effects of potent chemicals
> such as LSD, BZ, atropine and scopolamine,
> many of them supplied by the Edgewood Arsenal facility.   The goal: to
> find a sure means of chemically
> controlling the mind.  Madill, who worked at Suffield between 1960 and
> 1973, said he and his Canadian
> colleagues had regular meetings with their U.S. counterparts at
> Edgewood Arsenal.    But he had no knowledge
> of CIA interest in the hallucinogenic work.     Still, Madill said,
> the intelligence agency might well have monitored
> the Suffield studies.  "I'm sure if (the CIA) did their work properly,
> they probably did."    The test subjects used
> by Madill and his colleagues came from a colony of rats, mice and
> guinea pigs at Suffield. Madill said he
> never gave halucinogens to humans and shudders today at the suggestion
> of such experimentation [But how did
> we know whatever he said was a truth ?  Of course he was not going to
> say he gave hallucinogen even though he
> did].     However, a 1965 report on the McGill study in the
> Berlin-based journal Psychopharmacologia said the
> inquiry was funded in part by a Defence Research Board grant.     The
> study, The Effect of Lysergic Acid
> Diethylamide (LSD-25) on Perception With Stabilized Images, was
> conducted by researchers affilicated with
> McGill's psychology department.    The LSD was injected by two doctors
> from the university's
> Allan Memorial Institute.    The insitute is known as the site of
> controversial brainwashing
> studies carried out by Dr. Ewen Cameron in the late 1950s and early
> 1960s.    The [human and animal]
> experiments, funded by a covert CIA front organization, involved LSD,
> electoshock and sensory
> deprivation.     Cameron was never able to persuade the Defence
> Research Board to finance his work.
> Until now, there was no hint the Canadian military sponsored research
> into psychedelic drugs.   The newly
> uncovered McGill study involved two separate experiments.    In one
> procedure, two male and two
> female students participated in a series of six tests over several
> weeks.    They strapped on a viewfinder and
> were injected with the LSD-25, then shown a number of geometric
> figures.   Their ability to recognize certain
> patterns while under the influence of the drug was plotted on charts
> and graphs.   In a similar procedure, four
> more subjects, including two "professional musicians," were given the
> drug and shown more drawings.   [Think of
> you were participating in the research like this.   I will inject a
> shot to you !]         "It was found that 'flicks,' the
> rapid, jerky motions that compensate for the slow drift of the eye,
> were twice as frequent," the researchers
> noted.   Even though it was helping finance the studies nowhere in the
> official account of the experiment does the
> military say what it hoped to learn.    At that time, LSD research was
> quite common.   It was the subject of more
> than 1,000 studies and was considered a possible treatment for
> alcoholism and schizophrenia.   Later studies cast
> doubt on the initial optimism, however.   In 1969, the drug was
> outlawed in Canada.    Military researchers in the
> United States experimented with a host of other powerful
> mind-controlling substances in programs that continued
> into the early 1970s [it was about the year when the students in
> undergraduate program (now) were born].   In
> Alberta, many of these chemicals were pumped into rodents at Suffield.
> Years earlier, during W.W.II, Suffield
> scientists played a vital role in the Allied effort to develop and
> test biological and chemical weapons [and
> yet we say Ph.Ds are responsible, honest and helpful.  Give us a
> break].   In the postwar era, Suffield
> researchers continued the close association with their superpower
> neighbour to the south.   A handful of
> Canadian scientists, including Madill, explored the effects of
> so-called incapacitating agents on rodents.    In a
> November 1968 experiment by one of Madill's associates, rats were
> injected with compounds including
> LSD and BZ, an even more powerful hallucinogen that could induce
> week-long highs and maniacal
> behaviour.   A report on the experiment says the drugs "rapidly
> affected the animals."   The psychedelics were
> supplied by Edgewood Arsenal, while another drug was used in the
> tests, BOL-148, came from the Montreal
> branch of Sandoz, the Swiss company that invented LSD [Ph.Ds , who are
> working at company like this, are
> causing a lot more problems than the university, high school or
> elementary school drop-outs].     "Currently, there
> are at least two compounds, BZ and LSD-25, which have been considered
> as candidates for military use, " says
> the report [Is military protecting us or using us ?].    "They are
> extremely potent and have a profound effect on
> man."   Madill said the research was intended to help understand how
> the chemicals worked so the millitary
> could devise antidotes against them [you are right], in keeping with
> the defensive nature of postwar work at
> Suffield.   Now living in St.Catharines, Ont., the 65 year-old retiree
> wonders whether it was naive to believe
> drugs could be used to bend ot dictate the human will.    "At the
> height of the Cold War, a lot of this stuff was
> 'classified' research, " Madill said [or whatever].   "I can look back
> upon it and say I spent a very strange life."
> [and that's how Ph.Ds live in our society].
> 
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