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Just 3 tidbits from Colin Leech to prove that he has no idea what he's 
talking about:

ag414@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Colin R. Leech) wrote:


>There are extremely few guns stolen from police and military, for 
>reasons which I assume should be obvious.

 There are 80-100 seperate firearms "lost", stolen, or otherwise 
misplaced by the Canadian Armed Forces each year, ranging from handguns 
like the Browning Hi-Power, through selective-fire rifles like the C6 and 
C7 (the Canadian version of the M16), up to and including crew-served 
light machine guns like the one found in the back of a biker's "hit van" 
in Montreal a while ago. Let us not forget Cpl. Lortie, who stole a GP-35 
and *2/two* 9mm C1 submachineguns from CFS Carp, and used them to shoot 
up the Quebec legislature. This doesn't include the grenades, det cord, 
blasting caps, and hundreds of pounds of explosives that "walk" away from 
bases each year. Any one of these firearms could be used to commit the 
equivalent of 2 or 3 Montreal Massacres at any time.


>It's relatively trivial to smuggle things into Canada from the USA. It 
>is a lot less trivial to do so from overseas.

 This would explain why drug dealers are smuggling multi-ton shipments of 
narcotics into this country from overseas. Tell me, if they can bring in 
26 tons of hashish (one of the shipments we managed to catch), why 
couldn't they just as easily bring in 26 tons of guns and ammunition?


>Somebody's going to set up a gun factory in his back yard. Uh huh.

 Believe it or not, Colin, it's incredibly *easy* to make your own gun. 
With $10 worth of plumbing supplies, you can make your very own 12-gauge 
shotgun, .308 calibre rifle, or .22/.38/9mm handgun, with no tool more 
complicated than a wrench and an electric drill. If you have a lathe or 
milling machine (found in any garage or machine shop), you can make 
practically any firearm imaginable, including full-automatics. During 
WW2, the British government hired *bicycle repair shops* to build 9mm 
Sten submachine guns for less than $15 apiece.ag414@FreeNet.Carleton.CA 
(Colin R. Leech) wrote:
>Larry Phillips (larry@furble.signs.eh) writes:
>> Making legal weapons harder to get only increases
>> the demand for, and therefor the value of, illegal weapons,
>
>Cost is one deterrent to buying a gun, so increasing the value of 
>illegal weapons isn't a bad thing.
>
>> while
>> increasing the chances of the criminal not having to face a gun barrel
>> when mugging someone or breaking into someone's house.
>
>Oh yeah, we should all become vigilantes. Riiiiight. A criminal is going
>to be scared off from robbing a house based on a perceived threat that
>there might be a gun inside? In that case the good ol' USA should have an
>extremely low break-in rate, inversely proportionate to their gun
>ownership rate. Maybe you should look at the stats sometime.
> 
>> If they cannot be bought,
>> they will be stolen (or are you suggesting that we disarm the police
>> and military?)
>
>There are extremely few guns stolen from police and military, for 
>reasons which I assume should be obvious.
>
>> If they don't come from the US, they will come from
>> somewhere else, whether it be a mideast, South American, African, or
>> Asian country. 
>
>It's relatively trivial to smuggle things into Canada from the USA. It is
>a lot less trivial to do so from overseas.
>
>> If they cannot be obtained ready-made, they will be manufactured. 
>
>Somebody's going to set up a gun factory in his back yard. Uh huh.
>
>> Grinding the law-abiding into the dirt ...
>
>Oh yes, the perpetual plea of the pro-gun lobby. "We're law abiding
>citizens." Hey, I'm a law abiding citizen too, but that still doesn't give
>me unlimited rights to drive 200 km/hr down the highways.  Get off your
>high horse. Nobody's accusing you of not being law abiding.
> 
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