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Re: Allan Rock sold you out. was: Illegal Guns

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From: Rosco
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 00:00
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Note followups.

In article <DJvzxF.GAD@cs.dal.ca> Kevin B. Hayes (hayes@ug.cs.dal.ca) wrote:

> However, do you think you should be able to stockpile weapons with no one
> knowing about it?

Yes. What I collect has no bearing on anything unless and until I do
something illegal with them.

> For goodness sake, our society has no use for guns outside
> of law enforcement.

Which of the following does society have no use for: Collecting
(recreation), competition (recreation), obtaining food (hunting),
self-preservation (saving life and property).

> You claim you are a responsible gun owner, so what is wrong with registering
> your gun?

Firearm registration has only been used as a prelude to confiscation. A
responsible firearm owner want to retain control of his firearms, not give
away that control to the government, who are sure to abuse it.

> What freedom is being taken away from you? The freedom to go out and
> shoot somebody on a whim with no one able to track you down is about it.

To use Roland's example, why would you object to periodic searches of your
bedroom, since the only freedom you'd be giving up is the right to rape
underage girls. Apart from being unconstitutional, C-68 goes against any
semblance of the right to ownership of private property, the privilege of
the provinces to regulate property, the principle of being assumed innocent
until proven guilty, the principle of being secure from unreasonable search
and seizure, the principle of being able to remain silent (secure from
self-incrimination), among others.

> Any human being has the potential to quickly and easily go insane and/or
> cause a lot of harm with a gun - more easily than with a knife, bomb,
> gasoline, whatever. And don't you think there should be a system to track
> down suspects who are gun owners?

Not unless you are fair and do the same for anyone else who owns or could
own something that could be used to kill people. That would include any
piece of private property. Of course, that would only serve to show that
attacking responsible people for what they MAY do is prior restraint without
justification (a silly principle that only has use in a totalitarian
state).

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From: Roger_Walker@CUEHere.bohica.net (Rosco)
Subject: Re: Allan Rock sold you out. was: Illegal Guns
Date: 1995/12/26
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