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: : > Or stabbed to death? 

: : She stands a much better chance of still being alive after a beating than
: : a shooting. Why do such simple concepts elude you, Orion?

These situations are ones of rage , once the rage is past so is the danger.


:   You mean such simpLISTIC concepts?

:   That's easy: because since I base my assessment of any situation, 
: scenario or argument on logic and reasoning rather than the rhetoric, 
: emotionalism, fear or prejudice that characterize *your* responses, it is 
: immediately obvious *me* that if here husband had really wanted her dead 
: he would simply have grabbed your everyday average KITCHEN KNIFE to do 
: the job (unless he was so enjoying beating here that he just decided to 
: finish here off that way...or by strangulation.  He didn't...therefore 
: murder was obviously *not* his intention.

I doubt that murder is seldom the intention but with guns because they 
are so fast; it happens. I was strangled a couple of times but with the 
effort he came to his senses.. I was never threatened with the knives. I 
disabled all the guns in the house ( which saved my life ). 



:   (simple enough?)



: : > If so, you're in luck...since over 60% of all 
: : > domestic homicides involve either beatings or stabbings (note that this 
: : > figure includes both male *and* female domestic homicide victims).  

This indicated to me that we could decrease the deaths by shootings by 40 %
by getting rid of guns. Shouldn't we try ????



: : Yes, and that number is so high partly *because* we don't have guns
: : readily available in every house to be used.


:   I see.  So...being beaten, strangled or stabbed to death is "okay" as 
: long as one of those icky nasty guns wasn't used, then?  Hmmm...kinda 
: flies right in the face of your "guns as a weapon of split-second 
: opportunity" rationale, doesn't it?  I wonder how all the people beaten 
: to a pulp or suffering *multiple* stab wounds as a cause of death would 
: react to such a theory (if they still could)?  ;) 

I wonder how many family murder suicdes would not have  occurred if it 
were not for guns. How many men stab to death all the members of their 
family and then stab themselves. With guns it is a not uncommon act.

: : >   You're one of the lucky ones, apparently.  But perhaps if you yourself 
: : > had been armed you might not have suffered *any* beatings at all; a gun 
: : > is a great equalizer no matter how large your attacker is.

If I had been  armed I doubt able to shoot. My attacker had police 
training and would easily remove the gun from me I am sure. Thats all I 
needed a loaded gun in the middle of the melee. 


: : And she is more likely to have been on the receiving end of the bullet.

Me and my kids.

:   According to?...


:   (oh, please...don't tell me you're parroting that tired old "they'll 
: just take it away and use it against *you*" mantra?  heh...)

Pardon me for injecting, but that certainly was my fear.

: : Your arguments don't even get out of the starting gate.


:   Keep telling yourself that, if it helps.  But don't continue to delude 
: yourself that everyone else is buying it; it's become quite clear whose 
: side the FACTS are on, sorry.

You may argue all you like.
 All I can say is that is how it was for me.

Holly