🚀 go-pugleaf

> I do not fall for those vast conspiracy things. No way even Slick Willie was dealing >drugs, no way CIA was dealing drugs.

IS running in drugs , not WAS running drugs

and your use of the term 'dealing' is intentionally misleading.
The CIA is importing drugs from around the world in exchange for
weapons/cash.  It's called corruption. Its called hundreds of billions
of dollars in tax-free money for organized criminal elements at the
highest level of government, and its called a general public in
complete ignorance and complete denial. (the actual
distribution/dealing is done
by the Hells Angels and other 'connected' criminal organizations.

watch these videos:

http://tinyurl.com/yyf6mr
and
http://tinyurl.com/y4gyzx

and for background on Skull n' Bones watch:
http://tinyurl.com/sm5rm
and
I-       http://tinyurl.com/yfua97
II-      http://tinyurl.com/eb6l7
gornk wrote:
> People keep changing the subject from the original topic to
> a discussion on something completely different, usually childish
> name-calling.
> They do not want the TOPIC discussed.
>
> The information has to keep flowing , so read on:
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> quote:
>
>  'I have been reading along, watching the videos, and it is very
> interesting, especially, about informants being used, while they are on
> a killing spree.There are indeed some nasty things being done in high
> places.
>
> I am uncertain, maybe because I grew up in Montreal, Angel Territory. I
> know the gangs have had rival fights, etc, over turf, drugs.
>
> It bothers me also, pedophiles, and the HA, getting along. So many are
> married with kids, or have sisters, etc..
>
> A lot is spoken of happenings in the USA, I wonder if you have any info
> on the hub, or triangle, in the Province of BC,as this lady wrote, that
> she worked with victims from there. Also, have you heard of the Process
> Church cult? . I do believe in cults, and I fear this is widespread,
> and may end up reaching into the states.
>
> PS: Say there has been a long time cult going on, then they would
> probably take something from the victim, to the people they obey., to
> show it was done. It is very confusing to say the least
>
> _________________
> osted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:26 am    Post subject:
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>
> Quote:
>
> 'I have not had time to visit all these links and watch all the videos,
> but I was googling cult activity and Satanism in BC. Came up with an
> article about a 30+ year member of the VPD who used to investigate
> child abuse cases ... Detective Constable Charles Ennis, aka Kerr
> Cuhulain who is also head honcho of an organization called Officers of
> Avalon (policeman, firefighters, EMTs, etc. of Wicca and the Pagan
> religion). He notes that Dr. Willi Gutowski, a psychiatrist who worked
> out of Chilliwack General Hospital, had some patients who committed
> suicide, and the article indicates that it was possibly related to
> Gutowski's treatment received while undergoing therapy due to Satanic
> cult involvement. I can't help but wonder if the suicides might just be
> more related to the cult activity/involvement rather than Dr.
> Gutowski's treatment??
>
> http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:1kctPz0ktxEJ:www.witchvox.com/va/...
>
> I have read a couple of the Ennis/Cuhulain articles and note that he
> appears as bigoted towards Christians as he claims Christians are
> towards Wicca. He has authored The Law Enforcement Guide to Wicca,
> Wiccan Warrior and Full Contact Magick: A Book of Shadows for the
> Wiccan Warrior, and Witch Hunts: Out of the Broom Closet (Spiral
> Publishing).
> -----------------
>
>  Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:05 pm    Post subject:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Fantastic Quigley. This is nearly THE most important find so far.
> Kerr Cuhulain is based in Surrey, B.C. He has started an occult police
> officers association called Officers of Avalon.
> Piggy Palace (and Robert Pictons farm) is very near Surrey, B.C. , just
> N.E.
> of Surrey in Port Coquitlam. Ironically, Cuhulain was a child abuse
> investigator
> for the Vancouver Police Dept.
>
> This also fits the pattern of the cult putting their own people in key
> positions of authority re: police, child abuse, missing persons.
> (remember disgraced teen fondler, Congressman Mark Foley was chairman
> of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Foley_scandal
>
> Some info on the Picton pig farm cult:
>
> Quote:
> http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/robert_pickton/6...
>
> Late in 1998, task force detectives got their best lead yet from
> 37-year-old Bill Hiscox. Widowed two years earlier, Hiscox had turned
> to drugs and alcohol after his wife died, rescued from the downhill
> slide when his foster sister found him a job at P&B Salvage in Surrey,
> southeast of Vancouver. The proprietors were Robert William "Willie"
> Pickton and his brother David, of Port Coquitlam. Hiscox's helpful
> relative was Robert Pickton's "off-and-on" girlfriend in 1997, and
> Hiscox picked up his paychecks at the brothers' Port Coquitlam pig
> farm, described by Hiscox as "a creepy-looking place" patrolled by a
> vicious 600-pound boar. "I never saw a pig like that, who would chase
> you and bite at you," he told police. "It was running out with the dogs
> around the property."
>
> Robert William (Willie) Pickton
>
> Hiscox had grown concerned about the Picktons after reading newspaper
> reports on Vancouver's missing women. Robert Pickton was "a pretty
> quiet guy, hard to strike up a conversation with, but I don't think he
> had much use for men." Pickton drove a converted bus with deeply tinted
> windows, Hiscox told authorities. "It was Willie's pride and joy," he
> said, "and he wouldn't part with it for anything. Willie used it a
> lot." The brothers also ran a supposed charity, the Piggy Palace Good
> Times Society, registered with the Canadian government in 1996 as a
> non-profit society intended to "organize, co-ordinate, manage and
> operate special events, functions, dances, shows and exhibitions on
> behalf of service organizations, sports organizations and other worthy
> groups." According to Hiscox, the "special events" convened at Piggy
> Palace--a converted building at the hog farm--were drunken raves that
> featured "entertainment" by an ever-changing cast of Downtown Eastside
> prostitutes.
>
> David Francis Pickton
>
> Police were already familiar with the Pickton brothers. David Francis
> Pickton had been convicted of sexual assault in 1992, fined $1,000 and
> given 30 days' probation. His victim in that case told police Pickton
> had attacker her in his trailer, at the pig farm, but she managed to
> escape when a third party came in and distracted him. Port Coquitlam
> authorities sought an order to destroy one of David's dogs in April
> 1998, under the Livestock Protection Act, but the proceedings were
> later dismissed without explanation. Pickton had also been sued three
> times for damages, resulting from traffic accidents in 1988 and 1991,
> settling all three claims out of court.
>
> Soon after Piggy Palace opened, the Pickton brothers and their sister,
> Linda Louise Wright, found themselves in court again, sued by Port
> Coquitlam officials for allegedly violating city zoning ordinances.
> According to the complaint, their property was zoned for agricultural
> use, but they had "altered a large farm building on the land for the
> purpose of holding dances, concerts and other recreations" that
> sometimes drew as many as 1,800 persons. Following a New Year's Eve
> party on December 31, 1998, the Picktons were slapped with an
> injunction banning future parties, the court order noting that police
> were henceforth "authorized to arrest and remove any person" attending
> public events at the farm. The "society" finally lost its nonprofit
> status in January 2000, for failure to provide mandatory financial
> statements.
>
> Other charges filed against Robert Pickton were more serious. In March
> 1997 he was charged with the attempted murder of a drug-addicted
> prostitute, Wendy Lynn Eistetter, whom he stabbed several times in a
> wild melee at the pig farm. Eistetter told police that Pickton
> handcuffed and attacked her on March 23, but that she escaped after
> disarming him and stabbing him with his own knife. A motorist found
> Eistetter beside the highway at 1:45 a.m. and took her to the nearest
> emergency room, while Pickton sought treatment for a single stab wound
> at Eagle Ridge Hospital. He was released on $2,000 bond, but the charge
> was later dismissed without explanation in January 1998.
>
> The stabbing had crystallized Bill Hiscox's suspicion about Robert
> Pickton, whom he called "quite a strange character." Aside from the
> assault, Hiscox told police, there were "all the girls that are going
> missing, and all the purses and Ids that are out there in his trailer
> and stuff." Pickton, Hiscox told detectives, "frequents the downtown
> area all the time, for girls."
>
> Police recorded Hiscox's statement and a detective accompanied him to
> the pig farm, afterward vowing "to push the higher-ups, all the way to
> the top, to investigate." Subsequent press reports indicate that the
> farm was searched three times, apparently without result. The brothers
> would remain on file, "persons of interest" to the inquiry, but no
> surveillance would be mounted on the farm.
>
> Back in Vancouver, meanwhile, the list of missing women grew longer,
> with no end in sight.
>
> Last edited by Thunkerdrone on Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:14 pm; edited 1 time
> in total
>
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>
>  Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:22 pm    Post subject:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I checked Google Maps for an aerial view of the general area where
> Piggy Palace and the Picton pig farm is located:
>
> It is in Port Coquitlam, which is just NorthEast of Surrey, B.C. where
> our Officers of Avalon cult friends are headquartered.
> Notice the big nearby rail yard. Port Coquitlam appears to be a massive
>
> inland river /rail port, from what I can tell the biggest such port in
> the Vancouver area.
> This would mean a preponderance of international shipping (particularly
> Asian) This would be the same area/source for the stories of women
> disappearing onto ships.
> If anyone can find any reference to tunnels or mines or Hells Angels
> etc. in the Surrey or Port Coquitlam area
> that might be useful.
>
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>  Thunkerdrone
> Joined: 05 Nov 2006
> Posts: 76
> Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:47 pm    Post subject:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Check this out: the Hells Angels entire Vancouver chapter is also
> located
> in Port Coquitlam. So we have Officers of Avalon (police), the Pickton
> pig cult,
> and the Hells Angels all headquartered in the same area immediatelly
> surrounding
> this massive rail port:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/srtaa
>
> Quote:
> Neal Hall, VANCOUVER SUN
> Published: Tuesday, October 17, 2006
> A high-profile member of the Vancouver Hells Angels says people have
> been rude to him and he has experienced "fear and loathing" from the
> public at supermarkets, restaurants and other places after an Ontario
> court ruling last year that found the Hells Angels is a criminal
> organization, a Vancouver judge was told Monday.
>
> In an affidavit filed in B.C. Supreme Court, Rickey Ciarniello, 61, the
> president of the Vancouver chapter, who has been a member of the Hells
> Angels since 1983, says he has always proudly worn his Hells Angels
> insignia, known as colours, but since the Ontario ruling he has
> experienced "harassment, stigma and ostracism that membership would now
> seem to entail."
>
> He was wearing a black jacket in court Monday that said in small
> letters on the front: Vancouver Hells Angels.
>
> His affidavit, obtained by The Vancouver Sun, claims he is a
> law-abiding Hells Angels member who is "not responsible for the
> criminal acts that have, at times, been committed by some of its
> members."
>
> His affidavit recalled that after the Ontario ruling, Ciarniello went
> to a restaurant called Joey Tomatoes wearing his colours and overheard
> a couple asking to be moved because they didn't want to sit next to a
> criminal.
>
> "Following that I was quite uncomfortable and decided to leave the
> restaurant," said the affidavit.
>
> "I have noticed a marked difference in the way that people respond to
> me when I am wearing my colours," Ciarniello said in his affidavit.
>
> "The mood has gone from friendly and casual curiosity to fear, loathing
> and avoidance such that I am now made to feel uncomfortable wearing the
> HAMC [Hells Angels Motorcycle Club] insignia."
>
> Since the Ontario judgment, his affidavit says, staff members at the
> local Safeway near his PORT COQUITLAM  home -- where he has purchased
> groceries for 20 years -- are not as friendly as they used to be, and
> he's received similar treatment at a Shell gas station.
>
> His affidavit also states that John Bryce, president of the East End
> chapter of the Hells Angels, was refused as a customer of the Bank of
> Nova Scotia, after two decades of business with it, after the Ontario
> ruling.
>
> And Ciarniello says while he regularly spoke to the media on behalf of
> the Hells Angels in B.C. and nationally, he has generally refrained
> from speaking out to the same extent after the ruling because he is
> concerned that "I may be charged with participating in the activities
> of a criminal organization...."
>
> He said the effect of the Ontario ruling "is to declare me a member of
> a criminal organization notwithstanding that I have never engaged in
> the promotion of criminal conduct."
>
> His affidavit was filed as part of his constitutional challenge of all
> the sections of the Criminal Code making it illegal to participate,
> direct or instruct people for the benefit of a criminal organization.
>
> He claims the Ontario Superior Court ruling in the case known as
> Lindsay and Bonner has caused a stigma to belonging to the Hells Angels
> in B.C., which infringes his section seven rights of life, liberty and
> security of person.
>
> n...@png.canwest.com
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> http://www.thenownews.com/issues05/112105/news/112105nn2.html
>
> Quote:
> Hells Angels members get four years
>
> By Jennifer Saltman - Staff Reporter
>
> Two senior members of the Vancouver chapter of the Hells Angels - which
> is based in Coquitlam - were each sentenced in B.C. Supreme Court
> Monday to four years in jail for drug trafficking.
>
> Surrey resident Norman Edward Krogstad, 58, who police say is the
> president of the Vancouver chapter, and 55-year-old Langley resident
> Cedric Baxter Smith, a senior member of the chapter, had pleaded guilty
> earlier to 11 counts of cocaine trafficking.
>
> The two were sentenced by Associate Chief Justice Patrick Dohm for
> their role in trafficking almost 10 kilograms of cocaine bought by a
> former biker who was working as an undercover police agent.
>
> Smith was also fined $100,000 for his role in the trafficking
> operation, during which the police agent bought nine kilograms and 24
> ounces of cocaine between June 2003 and September 2004.
>
> When police raided Smith's home, they seized $73,000 in cash - and Dohm
> ordered Smith to pay $27,500 on top of that to satisfy payment of the
> fine.
>
> Krogstad and Smith were among 10 men arrested on the Lower Mainland and
> in Prince George in January after a 20-month-long joint police
> investigation.
>
> The investigation resulted in firearm and drug-trafficking charges
> against six members and associates of the Prince George Renegades
> motorcycle club and four members and associates of the Hells Angels'
> Vancouver chapter.
>
> Undercover police officers bought large quantities of drugs, stolen
> property and illegal guns were purchased from various members of
> Vancouver- and Prince George-based Hells Angels, and their associates.
>
> In Vancouver and Prince George, investigators seized more than
> $100,000, 25 pounds of marijuana, 14 kilograms of cocaine and
> restricted and prohibited weapons.
>
> The Angels' COQUITLAM clubhouse was not searched during the operation.
> The Vancouver chapter has approximately 16 members
> .
> ********
>  ed Nov 15, 2006 10:37 pm    Post subject:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From:
>
> Quote:
> http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=16079
>
> "A special team investigating the cases," reported the New York Times
> on Saturday, November 23, 2002, "arrived and found body parts in a
> freezer, as well as purses and other personal effects later linked to
> the missing.... Not one body has been found intact, and a wood chipper
> and Mr. Pickton's pigs are believed to have devoured much of the
> evidence."
>
> The Scene of the Crimes
>
> "There are no whole bodies at the pig farm," says Elaine Allan, a
> former coordinator for a DES drop-in center for sex workers. While
> employed there in the late '90s, she worked with almost 20 of the women
> who are believed to have been murdered by Robert Pickton, dismembered,
> and fed to his pigs. In her late 30s with medium-length hair, an
> intelligent air, and attentive eyes, Allan's voice expresses an almost
> aching sensitivity for the victims.
>
> "I can't tell you exactly what they have found on the farm because of
> the ban on that information. You know about the ban?" I say that I do,
> but the local papers have reported about the feet, teeth, and bones.
> Everyone knows about the body parts, the pigs, the wood chipper, the
> freezers. Indeed, the animal rights organization PETA had planned to
> place a large ad in the Province describing the murders in horrifying
> detail. ("They were drugged and dragged across the room," the PETA ad
> began. "Their struggles and cries went unanswered.... [b]They were
> slaughtered and their heads were sawed off.... Their body parts were
> refrigerated.... And their bones discarded. [/b]It's Still Going On.
> Please remember that this scenario is a reality for more than 640
> million sensitive individuals who lose their lives every year in this
> country for nothing more than the taste of their 'meat.'")
>
> What detail could Allan possibly tell me that wasn't already known? Was
> there more than dismembered women in the meat freezer, in the teeth of
> the wood chipper, or the guts of the pigs? Were there worse details,
> more horrifying details?
>
> "Yes," she says. "It's worse than you can imagine."
> Now for the truly sickening part, if this were not bad enough
>
> I followed the street address provided in the above news article, the
> street address for the pig farm: 953 Dominion Avenue (Dominion
> Triangle)
> on Google Maps, and I found that the swatch of farmland actually
> borders the massive rail yard and inland sea port. The above article
> also mentions that women from Seattle started disappearing at the same
> time, and my guess is that this is not the only other city involved.
>
> Now it starts to get truly strange:
>
> I did a Google on the most famous Hells Angel in history
> Sonny Barger
> During the course of my search I came upon a biker-connected band
> known as Spiralarms.
> The bass player for Spiralarms, known as 'Spiralbass' (has a Myspace
> page)
>
> http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&frie...
>
> and on his page I found this:
> http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h186/MANTIS11/enemy/gutsyjm3io9.gif
>
> (edited by Hazel, sorry TD just too graphic for me, and if too graphic
> for me I am sure its too graphic for others. However, I left the link
> intact, if anyone wants to see this image, cut and paste away. Thanx)
>
> I got curious about this guy , and found that he is from Benicia,
> California.
> I did a Google Earth on Benicia, California.
> Benicia is literally just across the river from Mount Diablo, on the
> north side , and not far geographically from Bohemian Grove (approx. 70
> miles SE). It is another port city, this time for Concord Naval Weapons
> Base.
> http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/bohemian_grove_maps.h...
>
> Now back to our friend Kerr Kuhulain (detective constable Charles
> Ennis):
>
> Kuhulain and his books are prominent on this site:
> http://spiralpublishinginc.com/osCommerce/
>
> this is Kuhulain's publisher : Spiral Publishing.
>
> Spiral Arms
> Spiral Publishing
>
> The goddess depicted above is Kali
>
> >From http://tinyurl.com/yxjms2
>
> "Cannibalism (more precisely, anthropophagy) is an age-old tradition
> that, judging by a constant stream of flabbergasted news reports, is
> far from extinct. Much-debated indications exist that our Neanderthal,
> Proto-Neolithic, and Neolithic (Stone Age) predecessors were cannibals.
> Similarly contested claims were made with regards to the 12th century
> advanced Anasazi culture in the southwestern United States and the
> Minoans in Crete (today's Greece)."
>
> The Britannica Encyclopedia (2005 edition) recounts how the "Binderwurs
> of central India ate their sick and aged in the belief that the act was
> pleasing to their goddess, Kali." Cannibalism may also have been common
> among followers of the Shaktism cults in India.
>
> Now , are not many of the ships into Port Coquitlam from India?
> Is Kerr Kuhulain himself not from India? Remember, if you look at
> the Pickton farm on google earth, it right beside both an asian
> shipping port and a massive rail yard . This is a colossal scale rail
> yard. This is valuable land, and lots of it.
>
> Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:39 pm    Post subject:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> http://newsfromrussia.com/world/2005/10/27/66369.html
>
> Indian cannibal sect eats human corpses, believing it give them
> supernatural powers
>
> Quote:
> 16:42 2005-10-27
> A new Indian documentary seeks to shed light on a secretive sect of
> Hindu ascetics who allegedly eat human corpses, believing it will make
> them ageless and give them supernatural powers.
>
> The 10-minute movie "Feeding on the Dead" delves into the little-known
> world of the 1,000-year-old Aghori sect, whose sadhus, or holy men,
> purportedly pull bodies from Hinduism's holy river, the Ganges, in
> northern India.
>
> The sect has been written about, but rarely filmed performing its
> rituals. Cannibalism is illegal in India.
>
> Director Sandeep Singh, who shut down his transport business to pursue
> film-making, said it took him more than three months to gain an Aghori
> sadhu's trust and persuade him to be filmed while performing a
> cannibalistic ritual.
>
> "When we first met the sadhu, he said: 'Rubbish, we don't do this,"'
> Singh told The Associated Press in an interview. "It took months before
> he admitted to the rituals."
>
> There are about 70 Aghori sadhus at a given time, Singh said. They
> remain with the sect for 12 years, and can then return to their
> families, he said.
>
> Unlike other Hindu holy men, most of whom are vegetarians and
> teetotalers, the Aghoris also drink alcohol.
>
> But it is their consumption of human flesh, a practice whose origins
> remain a mystery, which has earned them the condemnation of other
> Hindus and relegated most of them to living around crematoriums in the
> hills around the northern holy city of Varanasi, where the documentary
> was made.
>
> While filming, Singh and three cameramen waited with an Aghori holy
> man, whose name is not mentioned in the film, for 10 days in June
> before the sadhu found a corpse floating in the Ganges.
>
> Hindus generally cremate the dead, but sometimes ceremonially dispose
> of bodies in the Ganges.
>
> "The body was decomposed and bluish in color, but the sadhu was not
> afraid about falling sick," Singh said. "He sat on the corpse, prayed
> to a goddess of crematoriums and offered some flesh to the goddess
> before eating it."
>
> Singh said the sadhu ate part of the corpse's elbow, believing the
> flesh would stop him from aging and give him special powers, like the
> ability to levitate or control the weather.
>
> The filmmaker said he did not see any such powers displayed, and plans
> to continue his research into the sect by filming ascetics at various
> intervals during their 12 years as Aghoris, reports the AP.
> I.L.
>
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>
> Thunkerdrone
>
> Joined: 05 Nov 2006
> Posts: 76
>
>  Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:46 pm    Post subject:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> http://tinyurl.com/vvrlq
>
> Quote:
> The cruel rites of Kali in no way belong to the past. As the Indian
> press currently reports, in recent times more and more incidents of
> human sacrifice to the goddess have accumulated, in which it is
> primarily children who are offered up. The ancient and universal myth
> of the Earth Mother, who consumes her own progeny and fattens herself
> with their corpses, who greedily laps up the blood-seed of humans and
> animals, who lures life into her abyss and dark hole in order to
> destroy it, is actually celebrating a renaissance in contemporary India
> (Neumann, 1989, pp. 148-149).
>
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>
> willow
>
> Joined: 30 Apr 2006
> Posts: 1793
>
>  Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:35 am    Post subject:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Quote:
> this was an operation on an industrial scale Now I am beginning to
> understand why the media ban.
>
> Trevor Greene mentions in his book Bad Date 2001, that there was a
> Farmer Willie possibly involved, but rather than concentrating on that
> aspect, he followed up a lot, on the fear of a lot of the ladies that
> women were being taken aboard ships, used as "entertainment" and dumped
> over board.
>
> Until now, I did not realize the property bordered the port.
>
> http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,9024098%255...
>
> Quote:
>
> 21mar04
>
> CANADIANS horrified by the discovery of an alleged serial killer in
> their midst have been confronted with even worse news -- they may have
> eaten animals that ate the victims.
>
> The farmer suspected of killing at least 22 women is feared to have
> disposed of their bodies by feeding them to his pigs.
>
> The pigs were then slaughtered on his farm, 30km east of Vancouver, and
> the meat given to hundreds of locals.
>
> Police this week confirmed samples of the pig meat probably contained
> human DNA, raising the prospect that those living near the farm of
> suspected killer Robert William Pickton "ate" his victims.
>
> Pickton, 54, apparently had a habit of slaughtering pigs, wrapping up
> the meat and distributing it to associates and friends.
>
> Many of Pickton's victims were prostitutes. The killer regularly gave
> pork from his farm to other sex workers.
>
> "Those are my friends that he served up," said one prostitute this week
> after learning she may eaten meat contaminated with her friends' DNA.
>
> Families of the missing women expressed shock at the news, with one
> telling a Vancouver radio station: "I'm not eating dinner tonight."
>
> Police have asked anyone with frozen pork products from the farm to
> turn them into authorities immediately.
>
> Health officials are examining whether human pathogens and diseases
> such as hepatitis and HIV could have been transferred through the meat
> products.
>
> Police arrested Pickton in February 2002, but only announced this week
> they had found human remains and other DNA samples at the farm.
>
> Pickton has been charged with 15 counts of first-degree murder in the
> disappearances of women over the past 20 years.
>
> Many of the victims vanished from Vancouver's drug-ridden areas. More
> than 60 prostitutes went missing over the past decade and are feared to
> have been murdered at the farm.
>
> -------------------
> So here we have a biker band Spiralarms, and the cover of their
> CD contains Kali , the cannibalistic goddess of death, whom is
> worshipped in cannibalistic rituals.
>
> The drummer for Spiralarms is from the Mount Diablo/Bohemian Grove area
> (where sacrifices are done to Mol-luk , Condor Man, eater of human
> flesh) and the drummer also has the cartoon of a human flesh
> slaughterhouse on his page.
>
> Then further up the coast in B.C. we have Port Coquitlam, the central
> headquarters of the Hells Angels for the entire region, and a gigantic
> cannibal restaurant/hall called Piggy Palace, with a slaughterhouse
> next to it, situated right next to what could be the most gigantic rail
> yard in NA,
> and a port servicing ships from Asia.
>
> Finally, we have child-abuse squad occultist Kerr Kuhulain who lives
> just SW of Port Coquitlam and publishes occult books
> at a publisher by the name of Spiral Press. He has also formed an
> occult police organization called The Officers of Avalon.
>
> Now we wonder why the police did nothing for so long?
> Quote:
> http://www.twpt.com/cuhulain.htm
>
> Kerr Cuhulain A former Air Force officer, Kerr Cuhulain (Vancouver) has
> been a police officer for the past twenty years, and a Wiccan for
> thirty. He's served on the SWAT team, Gang Crime Unit, and hostage
> negotiation team. He travels throughout North America as a popular
> speaker at writers' conferences and Pagan festivals, and he has been
> the subject of many books, articles, and media interviews. He is the
> author of The Law Enforcement Guide to Wicca.
>
> "As a child I was a seeker (though, at the time, I couldn't have told
> you what I was looking for). I remember leaving libations from my lunch
> box for various Greek Gods while I was in elementary school. I found a
> book on Wicca in my high school library 31 years ago and realized that
> there was a name for what I believed. There was no turning back after
> that."
>
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>
> Thunkerdrone
>
> Joined: 05 Nov 2006
> Posts: 76
>
>  Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:42 am    Post subject:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Quote:
> http://tinyurl.com/yg8oov
>
> Vancouver Sun
> 16 September 1989,
>
> Gutowski, who at that time claimed to have treated five "ritual abuse
> survivors in the last four to five years,"(2 is quoted as follows:
>
> "We, as psychiatrists, don't want to believe it at all. But the weight
> of evidence about hypnotic regressions convinces us that these things
> are actually true. And when you see the reality of the impact it has on
> their minds and bodies and emotions, it becomes much more
> believable."(29)
> "According to Gutowski, at these [occult crime] conferences,
> psychiatrists are hearing that survivor's disclosures are pointing to
> the fact that prominent people are involved in cult activities.
> `They're mayors, lawyers, police, church people- upstanding citizens.
> These people are not from Skid Road,' he says."(30)
> "Gutowski says evidence gathering is nearly impossible because cults
> `go to extreme detail in covering up the remains of people that are
> murdered, especially of babies. But I don't think anything is being
> done because of the difficulty of getting evidence'".(31)
> "Chilliwack's Gutowski estimates that up to half of the one in 3,000
> people with multiple personality disorders in Canada have been ritually
> abused. The other half have experienced extremely sadistic sexual,
> physical, mental, or emotional violence. `The typical memories (of
> those who have been ritually abused) are of being tied down,
> mutilations in the secrecy of night in graveyards, bushes and forests.
> Wounds are inflicted where they're not seen and they are not
> deep.'"(32)
> "Consistency in the way patients retell the details of their stories
> while in trances, as well as cross-patient consistencies in the
> recounting of typical cult activities, convinces Gutowski further."(33)
>
> Gutowski's name appears again in the Ottawa Citizen, on March 3, 1990.
> Gutowski is quoted as follows:
>
> "Dr. Willi Gutowski, a psychiatrist at the Chilliwack General Hospital
> in British Columbia, has dealt with 20 cult survivors since 1985.
>
> "Drugs are a frequent thing that happens, used to confuse (the victims)
> so they don't really remember what's reality. That's a purposeful
> technique so (memories of the event are) actually blocked out of the
> conscious mind and this is where the development of the multiple
> personality starts.
>
> "The cult's activities, he says, 'are so gross, that most people who
> aren't familiar with the field would say, 'that's not possible'.
> Secrecy is one of their biggest weapons."(34)
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> willow wrote:
>
> At second Glance I realize Kerr Cuhulain is an alias as you already
> mentioned. All I can tell is he is Canadian, doesn't seem to have an
> Indian (as in the continent) name or appearance (to me).
> -------
>
> yes, his real name is Charles Ennis. He is not East-Indian.
> --------
>
> Kim Rossmo was treated completely infairly. Instead of getting a medal
> for figuring out the geographic evidence suggesting a serial killer was
> to blame for the growing number of missing women in the DTES, he was
> let go! After being treated like an outcast for quite some time by his
> own department and fellow officers.
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/06/19/bc_child-porn20060619.html
> Quote:
> Earlier this year Vancouver police Sgt. John Dragani - who has since
> retired - was charged with possession of child pornography after
> allegations surfaced in 2005 that he had child porn on his home
> computer.
>
> http://hazel8500.wordpress.com/2006/11/12/9-year-vetren-of-rcmp-fired...
>
> Quote:
>
> Tristan Johnson, 35, a nine-yearvetren of the force came under
> suspiscion due to an annonymous tip he was accessing child porn from
> his home computer. In another stunning display of interdepartmental
> cooperation the tip was passed on to the Vancouver police (the suspects
> jurisdiction, Surrey.) After 4 months of investigation, they determined
> there was enough evidence supporting the tip to fire him, they
> approached the suspect and let him know, he chose to resign in the face
> of dismissal. The matter is before the Crown.
>
> http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=65c84a7b-1efc-4...
>
> Quote:
>
> 2nd ex-cop faces child-porn probe Prosecutors study report from
> Vancouver police department on allegations involving nine-year
> veteran's home computer
>
> http://www.mindytran.com/rcmp_sanctioned_killers.htm
>
> Quote:
> The RCMP have been aiding a known group of killers to avoid justice for
> many years in Canada. These killers were all later identified as
> protected police informants. The Police have gone to great lengths to
> protect their informants from prosecution and aggressively obstruct the
> victims families from having any recourse to justice. These "special"
> informants are functioning as Police agents, above the law and in
> certain cases, virtually licensed to kill!
>
> Little about the laws governing these "untouchables" is known and
> little is ever willingly disclosed by the RCMP. In most cases, Canadian
> laws will prohibit you from knowing, or the media from publishing, the
> identities of police informants . see- justice department quiz
> (question #1)
>
> What is known is that the number of these "informants" is constantly
> being increased and they are involved in criminal activity, while at
> the same time, the RCMP is urging the public to inform them of any
> criminal activity.
> see- RCMP website- number of informants (final paragraph)
>
> _________________
> http://www.nanowrimo.org
>
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>
> Thunkerdrone
>
> Joined: 05 Nov 2006
> Posts: 76
>
>  Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:35 am    Post subject:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> So now we may find out the real reason Clifford Olson was able to
> sell information on the bodies location to the RCMP?
>
> What really happened? Did Olson do it alone after all? Or was he paid
> to take the fall and shut up?
>
> http://www.mindytran.com/canadian_informants.htm
>
> Quote:
>
> Canadian informants
>
> Examples of Canadian informants:
>
> This man confessed to having committed 43 murders in 1986, supposedly
> before turning police informant, and assuming a new identity under the
> witness protection program.
> quote from serial killer index:
> hey there! love the sight but have you ever heard of Yves "Apache"
> Trudeau? he is a Hells Angel, now under the protection of the Canadian
> government due to his turning in his biker cronies. In return for
> ratting his buddies out he recieved immunity for some 43 murders he
> committed, mostly for revenge and / or money. A pretty prolific killer
> I would say
> What was Trudeau doing?
> see- story
> see- short version
> full story- the complete story has now been removed from CBC website.
> This information is rapidly disappearing from the public domain.
>
> Cory Patterson, another admitted member of these informant/ killers,
> claimed that there were others like him. He was never charged, just
> relocated. Patterson was found dead after he informed on his police
> handlers and disclosed his protected informant status to a journalist.
> The CBC fifth Estate investigated and aired the program.
> quote-Justice Paul Hermiston couldn't believe what he was hearing.
> Never in his career had he heard of such a bizarre case. He was at a
> loss to even speculate why the RCMP would hire such a wicked man.
> see story
>
> Clifford Robert Olson, Canada's most notorious serial killer, was an
> informant and received hundreds of thousands of dollars from the police
> following his arrest. He was a suspect when there was only one victim,
> was heavily implicated when there were three, but went on to kill
> eleven innocent children before the authorities finally decided to stop
> his killing spree. Before any of these murders began, Olson was well
> known to police as 'Bobo" the prison informant, a brutal serial rapist
> of young male inmates.
> see- Clifford Olson named as informant.
> see- Bobo the prison rapist
>
> Olson had also committed approximately eighty rapes around Vancouver
> without ever being apprehended!
> quote-This is a fellow that committed approximately eighty rapes in
> Greater Vancouver. We know from undercover policewomen who were in his
> home when he was identified as a suspect that he actually had a map up
> on the wall of his apartment, his flat, and on the map he had marked up
> the locations of his attacks.
> see pg/4- Kim Rossmo
> Quote: Since 1981, questions have been raised about the search for
> Canada's first known serial killer. This account shows in meticulous
> detail, how the investigation unfolded from the outset. It is possible
> that Olson might have been stopped early in his rampage, when two
> officers, each working separate cases, identified him as a suspect.
> see- Olson's full story
> To this day, an ex police member, Kettle is continuing to be vocal
> about his attempts to have Olson investigated at the time. The RCMP
> blocked all attempts. There never was a court case.
> see- The best Olson story
>
> The murder of Leo LaChance disclosed the complicity of the Crown and
> the RCMP in a cover-up to benefit this killer, a known RCMP informant.
> Information regarding this killer's protected informant status was
> prohibited from being made known during the court case and even
> withheld from the subsequent inquiry.
> see- story
>
> This informant was on the RCMP payroll when he killed two people. He
> confessed, yet no charges were ever laid. This story has now been
> removed from news site- www.montrealgazettemay17_2002.pdf Contact them
> for information as to why this has now been removed from their website.
>
> Danny Kane was involved in many murders and was authorized to receive
> two million dollars from the RCMP at the time of his death.
> Quote:
> Serious questions are being asked as to why the RCMP looked the other
> way when they knew that their informant, Danny Kane, was personally
> involved in almost a dozen different murders.
> see- story
>
> Recently, CTV W5 looked into another suspicious case in Kenora Ontario.
> A suspect was arrested and charged with murder. Years later the charge
> was stayed when another suspect surfaced. The other suspect, a police
> informant, the police investigator, his uncle! The police refuse to
> investigate further or to charge the cop.
> see- W5 story
>
> This dangerous RCMP agent was permitted to move right in with his next
> victim. There were no warnings. It took years of enduring judicial
> obstruction for the mother of the murder victim to find out that her
> son's killer was an RCMP agent
>
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>
> quigley
>
> Joined: 21 May 2006
> Posts: 727
>
>  Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:09 am    Post subject:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Quote:
> Port Coquitlam appears to be a massive
> sea/rail port, from what I can tell the biggest port in the Vancouver
> area.
> This would mean a preponderance of international shipping (particularly
> Asian) This would be the same area/source for the stories of women
> disappearing onto ships.
> If anyone can find any reference to tunnels or mines or Hells Angels
> etc. in the Surrey or Port Coquitlam area
> that might be useful.
>
> The boundaries of the Dominion Av and Burns Rd properties owned by the
> Picktons are in fact north of the Lougheed Hwy and the massive rail
> connections are to the south, but all in very close proximity to both
> the farm and Piggy's Palace. There are certainly no major ports
> adjacent to either of the Pickton properties, but it is interesting to
> note that the Burns Rd property leads eastward to the Pitt River.
> Doesn't take much stretch to visualize smaller logging or fishing
> vessels being able to transport things from the Pitt River location
> down river to the major ports around Surrey, New West and Richmond.
>
> There is one major port on the Fraser River in Richmond where I was
> involved in a private investigation/search (body ultimately recovered
> from the Fraser). One of the things we talked about at the time was a
> massive "chute" that goes about 100' up in the air and appears to have
> something to do with the logging industry (massive wood chipping
> operation??). The particular location we were in is called Mitchell
> Island. It is a very industrial type area with a lot of transport
> trucks, containers, auto parts places, reputed chop-shop locations,
> etc. I'm pretty steely, and it was one of the blackest, scariest places
> I've ever been with weird people in the shadows, watching what we were
> doing and ducking out of sight. Long story ... another time.
>
> Just mainly trying to point out where the water runs from and to in
> relation to the Pickton boys.
>
> BTW ... while you are looking at that same area west of the Pitt River
> bridge, further west around the corner of Lougheed and Shaughnessy is a
> hotel called "The Shaughnessy" (I think) ... I do know that it is
> reputed to have heavy HA patronage.
>
> Just to the east of the Pitt River bridge is a hotel that used to be
> called "The Wild Duck Inn" and used to be referred to as "The
> Gilnetter". Also known for lots of HA attendees.
>
> Thunkerdrone, FWIW ... the Pitt River bridge is the dividing line
> between POCO and Haney. There was previous mention of a HA clubhouse
> across the road from the Pickton property in POCO. Don't know whether
> it ever was determined if it was the Domion Av or Burns Rd property.
> There is also a Haney chapter of the HA, so looks like there is a lot
> of HA activity in that general area.
>
> quig
>
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>
> Desespere
>
> Joined: 21 Apr 2006
> Posts: 991
>
>  Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:32 am    Post subject:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I can't remember the name of the bike club in Edmonton, it used to be
> the Rebels. The fortress was on 83 street and 115 ave if I remember
> correctly, and was still there when the other one took over from the
> Rebels. It moved after that, 1990's I think. I don't know where they
> gather now. Is HA in Edmonton?
> _________________
> Take the first step in faith. You don't have to
> see the whole staircase, just take the first step.
> - Martin Luther King Jr.
>
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>
> willow
>
> Joined: 30 Apr 2006
> Posts: 1793
>
>  Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:54 am    Post subject:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Hi Des, Yes, they're in Edmonton, Winnipeg, Ontario, Quebec, don't know
> about Saskatchewan, but if they aren't there then that's probably the
> only place they aren't. I am pretty sure they are in the maritime
> provinces too.
> _________________
> http://www.nanowrimo.org
>
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>
> willow
>
> Joined: 30 Apr 2006
> Posts: 1793
>
>  Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:27 am    Post subject:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Quote:
> So now we may find out the real reason Clifford Olson was able to
> sell information on the bodies location to the RCMP?
>
> What really happened? Did Olson do it alone after all? Or was he paid
> to take the fall and shut up?
>
> Thunkerdrone you may be interested in this site as well
>
> http://www.injusticebusters.com/06/RCMP2006.shtml
>
> Also check out our Olson thread if you havn't already.
> http://www.freeforum101.com/edmontonsk/viewtopic.php?t=981&highlight=...
>
> There's some hair raising stuff here, and yes I think its related to
> the death cult stuff you've been edumacating us on with your wonderful
> links.
> You may be able to help tie some of this together with your POV.
> _________________
> http://www.nanowrimo.org
>
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>
> quigley
>
> Joined: 21 May 2006
> Posts: 727
>
>  Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:46 am    Post subject:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Re HA in Saskatchewan ...
>
> A few years ago there were definitely "prospecting" clubs (I think aka
> "puppet" clubs) for HA in Saskatchewan. They are clubs that go by other
> names, but supposedly do the dirty work for the HA.
>
> I read an article on it recently about the heirarchy and the various
> affiliations, but can't recall all of it. Will try to find the info
> again and post it.
>
> quig
>
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>
> quigley
>
> Joined: 21 May 2006
> Posts: 727
>
>  Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:51 am    Post subject:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Re Vancouver Ports, and a post recently about Stan Hennessy being
> linked to the HA:
>
> Quote:
> The Vancouver Sun published the picture last week prompting questions
> about the link between the union and the Hells Angels - the most talked
> about organized crime outfit in B.C. but the one with the least number
> of members in jail.
>
> Local 31 in Delta led by Hennessy represents more than 6,000 workers in
> B.C. and the Yukon, including about 230 civilian employees of the
> Vancouver police, 80 civilian employees of the Abbotsford force, about
> 350 inside workers at the Greater Vancouver Regional District, and
> several hundred truckers who haul containers at the Port of Vancouver.
>
> Vancouver civilian police employees have access to highly sensitive
> information, ranging from the Canadian Police Information Centre (CPIC)
> to criminal records. They liaise with Crown attorneys, deal with the
> public at front counters, assist victims, and perform secretarial work
> in all sections of the department.
>
> Let's not even talk about the Vancouver Port which is internationally
> renowned for being a gateway for contraband.
>
> from:
> http://www.asianpacificpost.com/portal2/402881910674ebab010674f4ad0a1...
>
> quig
>
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>
> adrian
>
> Joined: 13 Apr 2006
> Posts: 675
> Location: ALBERTA
>  Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:18 am    Post subject: Thunker:::
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>    YIKES
>
> It has also taken years and years for the murders here, to be looked
> at, and the surrounding areas. BTW Saskatchewan, Alberta, and B.C.
> there are a hell of a lot of missing and/or murdered. The task force,
> is being quiet, but they have some great profilers, and investigators,
> of the homicidal sexual sadist.
>
> There could actually be a brotherhood of sorts, and that could contain,
> many types of people.The way the gals are killed are not disclosed,
> other than then, the obvious burning to some, and one with full body
> trauma. Unless someone has learned more info., I wonder if any are
> secretly held, and used, tortured, till deemed disposable.Twisted sick.
>
> Plus with bodies splintering out all over, there are a lot of different
> jurisdictions.I hope the police from each place is keeping in touch
> with each other.There could even be a cop who has knowledge, who knows?
>
> _________________
> THX
>
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>
> quigley
>
> Joined: 21 May 2006
> Posts: 727
>
>  Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:13 am    Post subject:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Re HA in Saskatchewan ...
>
> Um ... I guess hellsangelssaskatoon.ca with www. in front of it might
> give us a bit of a clue here
>
> and from a Criminal Intelligence Service Canada 2001 report at
> http://www.cfdp.ca/crint01.htm
>
> Quote:
> Trafficking in cocaine and marijuana continues to be the primary
> activity of the HELLS ANGELS Saskatoon chapter. The gang manages
> numerous marijuana grow operations and is also involved in strip clubs
> and escort agencies
>
> from Injusticebusters "Gangs of Saskatoon"
> http://www.injusticebusters.com/04/Gangs_of_Saskatoon.htm
>
> Quote:
> The Hells Angels are using street gangs to deal illegal drugs such as
> "crystal meth," a highly addictive stimulant popping up everywhere on
> the streets of Saskatoon, say police.
>
> "There is a tonne of crystal meth in town here. It's appeared in huge
> quantities over the past year," Saskatoon Police Services Sgt. Gavin
> Morgan told the Saskatchewan News Network.
>
> "We do have intelligence that there are connections in the drug trade
> between the Hells Angels and the Native street gangs."
>
> quig
>
> ------------------
>
> The Hells Angels seem to be the missing link between the CIA drug lords
> and the various street gangs, be they the black , Italian, or native
> gangs
> not to mention the fact that the CIA has been known to plant their own
> in key positions at many police departments:
>
> CIA importing cocaine into U.S.: Dateline NBC
>
> video
> http://tinyurl.com/yxs4wf
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> I watched that and drew the conclusion that the CIA denies it,
> So no, they did not admit dealing drugs.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> A Los Angelas Police narcotics detective
> said it. I believe him. btw, he is not the only one to come
> forward) He was recruited by the CIA , but turned them down
> to work for the LAPD instead.
> found another video on this:
> video:
>
> Former narcotics investigator Mike Ruppert was forced out of the LAPD
> in 1977 when he exposed the evidence of drug trafficking by the CIA.
> THis is one of his first appearances caught on video in 1997 at the
> Granada Forum in California. Topic is CIA Drug Running.
> http://tinyurl.com/yjugzk
>
> Reply » .com/ya86ey
> **********
> gornk wrote:
> > I was speaking today with a colleague, trying to
> > get myself inside the head of a blood-drinker,
> > and that of a rich and powerful blood-drinker at
> > that.
> >
> >
> > What strains the credulity of the average person is that they
> > cannot believe that 'respectable', 'intelligent', 'prominent'
> > people would engage in such things. Is it possible?
> > But to better understand , research the life of Benjamin Franklin for
> > some insight into the type of people I am referring to.
> > Benjamin Franklin was both ingenious and satanic.
> >
> >
> > In my research, the conclusion that I came to is that this belief
> > system is also prevalent among some of the most prominent,
> > prolific, and brilliant minds in the world.
> >
> >
> > Hence, the rich and powerful involved, and very willing both to provide
> >
> >
> >
> > eachother victims and to help conceal the crimes.
> >
> >
> > Some of these people are worshipped for their genious.
> > Their genious is fed by evil, but their genious also produces
> > immeasurable wealth and knowledge to mankind.
> >
> >
> > The rich and powerful are heavily into hedonism. They recognize no
> > boundaries. Their quest is to achieve complete omnipotence, and these
> > people feel that they are performing A SERVICE TO HUMANITY each time
> > they ritualistically take a life. Each time they give a life surge to
> > the stronger among us.
> >
> >
> > That is why the ritual murder is termed a 'sacrifice'. They are willing
> >
> >
> >
> > that humanity , (and the victim's loved ones) lose these people in
> > order that the stronger among us, the smartest, perhaps even the
> > ingenious, will gain , at any cost, greater fortitude, greater life
> > force, to perform their great works in the service of mankind.
> >
> >
> > This is also why the victims of this network tend to be the weaker
> > underlings, society's discarded, such as poor and uneducated
> > people/hitchhikers/ prostitutes. These are deemed to be the expendable
> > sector of society, the equivalent of beef cattle, in service to the
> > greater good of humanity.
> >
> >
> > warning: graphic video of kosher slaughter process at
> > kosher meat packing plant.
> >
> >
> > (similar to satanic ritual torture of animals and people. Ancient
> > practice of drinking blood of tortured victims/animals in occult
> > rituals. Why?
> > The blood of the tortured is the most ancient narcotic , going back to
> > man's most primitive beginnings. The blood of the tortured is full of
> > natural opiates (endorphin pain-killers) secreted by the brain
> > into the blood stream. The blood of the tortured (animal or human) is
> > also full of adrenaline, the natural stimulant that is secreted into
> > the blood by the adrenal glands
> > for the 'fight or flight' response . Thus pain and fear produce a
> > harvest of opiates and stimulants from the glands of a mammal.
> >
> >
> > graphic video of kosher slaughter: http://tinyurl.com/y8zfu8
> >
> >
> > (note how this death chamber  is crafted to generate maximum terror in
> > the animals.)
> > Standard north american plants immediately kill the animal with
> > a bolt through the head, far different from the kosher meat processing
> > depicted here. In this video, notice how the slaughter chamber is
> > crafted to provoke maximum terror among the animals, with the deafening
> >
> >
> >
> > sound of several hellish machines operating simultaneosly and the
> > simultaneous death throes of several animals. Note how the machine
> > immobilizes the head of the animals while its voice box is ripped from
> > the throat with a hook after the throat is slit, to silence the animal,
> >
> >
> >
> > then the machine squeezes the torso of the animal, its blood draining
> > into a grate
> > and the legs then mechanically crushed to prevent it from standing
> > while it dies slowly, . This is
> > conducted to produce maximum pain and terror. (notice that part
> > of the ritual is that if the animal makes eye contact with anyone
> > else other than the appointed throat cutter, they are to kick blood
> > into it's eyes.)
> >
> >
> > In occult rituals, the victim is tortured and their blood drained into
> > goblets.
> > This blood is immediately drinken because it provides an incredible
> > narcotic high.
> > Just like many popular narcotics are actually a mixture of opiates and
> > stimulants together (morphine and amphetamines) (codeine and caffeine).
> >
> >
> >
> > This ancient practice created an addiction among it's proponents. It
> > became habitual, and also
> > imbued with spiritual meaning among the ignorant. Ancient man did not
> > understand why the blood of the tortured contained opiates and
> > stimulants, or why drinking this blood made him feel like a god. He
> > thought that this was his mystical connection with dark spirits, and
> > the narcotic high a reward by spirits for his cruelty toward his
> >
> >
> > I wonder how blood drinkers deal with these modern scourges of AIDS,
> > hepc etc.
> > ARe people known to be uninfected chosen? Maybe children or
> > babies in cases that they wish to use actual human blood? Do they have
> > access to the medical
> > records of victims?  Access to blood lab records or testing facilities?
> >
> >
> >
> >  Somehow they are obtaining victims with clean blood.
> > In case that blood safety is in question , I would guess that, as
> > mentioned earlier, we can now synthesize same or even more
> > powerful endorphin and adrenaline , in the form of  narcotic
> > mixtures,through plant-based opiates (endorphins) and stimulants
> > (adrenaline) . If the blood cannot be used in the ritual, then the cult
> >
> >
> >
> > will use drugs.
> > I am willing to bet that there is still a higher than average incidence
> >
> >
> >
> > of HIV among satanists, due to these factors. Especially back in the
> > early 1980's before public awareness and the attendant precautions.
> >
> >
> > My guess is that these rituals are often designed equally around
> > ministering to the hormonal/bestial needs of these people.
> > It is probable that those performing these acts feel that they
> > reach a physically satiated state from participating. The act of
> > committing the violence alone, under the proscribed ritual, does things
> >
> >
> >
> > to their blood and brain chemistry from which they derive strength,
> > both spiritual and physical.
> >
> >
> > A good analogy I can think of is sport hunters and sport fishermen, and
> >
> >
> >
> > especially sport fisherman, who unlike hunters, often release or
> > discard their catch. There is no logical reason to lure fish and
> > inflict pain on them, and then release them into the water. These are
> > not particularly sadistic people either. There is something primordial
> > and ancient about the life and death struggle of having a fish on the
> > line. It is struggling for its life, fighting, and one must in turn
> > resist its fight, in effect fight for one's life. Fight or flight
> > hormones are released into the blood.
> > Many people are addicted to the thrill of hooking a big fish, even if
> > they throw it back.
> > This is the adrenaline rush of the predator, of the hunter.
> > Some people watch horror films for the same reason. They get an
> > adrenaline rush from being frightened, and find that their sedentary
> > and secure life dulls them into not hormonally experiencing life's
> > daily struggle for survival. This is the adrenaline rush of the hunted.
> >
> >
> >
> > These are both fight or flight hormonal rushes that people are
> > experiencing/achieving.
> > That of the hunter and that of the hunted. There may be a crucial
> > difference here. Satanists may be achieving a blood chemistry
> > conducive to physical stamina, even genius, through ritualistic
> > violence
> > (adrenaline rush of the predator) followed by blood drinking, or
> > perhaps the consumption of powerful narcotics containing both opiates
> > and stimulants. (Mick Jagger, a knighted Freemason of the highest
> > order, put out a record called 'Goats Head Soup', with a picture of a
> > goats head in a pot. He was also a notorious user of heroine, and one
> > of the Rolling Stones biggest hits is a song called 'Sympathy for the
> > Devil'.
> > Mick Jagger fits the exact profile of the satanic persona that I make
> > reference to .
> > Extremely wealthy, and revered, gifted and talented, at one point the
> > subject of mass adoration at its absurd extreme.
> > He achieved cult-status popularity. People worshipped him, and so he
> > accepted their offerings......a very good candidate for satanism,
> > to be recruited by the cult, to be made to drink human blood. He too
> > would be sacrificing something in participation, sacrificing his
> > morality
> > as part of the process, likely in the hopes of attaining greater
> > strength with which to reward his supporters, and earn their adulation.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jagger would be just a tiny cog, one of thousands and tens of thousands
> >
> >
> >
> > of prominent people who are 'dabbled' in the occult, dipped in the
> > blood.
> > I mention him here only because his occult past is fairly widely known.
> >
> >
> >
> > What was not known until recently is the extent of occultism, and the
> > seriousness
> > of it practitioners: their extremism.
> > Bohemian Grove: satanic rituals of rich and powerful
> > DARK SECRETS: INSIDE BOHEMIAN GROVE
> > WHAT IS BOHEMIAN GROVE?
> > SEE THE TRUTH AS DOCUMENTED IN ALEX'S FILM, DARK SECRETS: INSIDE
> > BOHEMIAN GROVE
> >
> >
> > Since 1873, the global elite has held secret meetings in the ancient
> > redwood forest of Northern California. Members of the Bohemian Club,
> > headquartered in San Francisco, CA, include Former Presidents
> > Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan. The Bush family maintains a strong
> > involvement. Each Year at Bohemian Grove, Members of this all-male
> > organization don red, black and silver robes and conduct an occult
> > ritual Wherein they Worship a giant stone owl, sacrificing a human
> > being in effigy to What they call the "Great Owl of Bohemia."
> >
> >
> > Now, for the First Time in History, an Outsider Has Infiltrated
> > Bohemian Grove with a Hidden Digital Video Camera and Caught the Ritual
> >
> >
> >
> > on Tape. That Man is Alex Jones, the Exclusive Digital Video is Just
> > Part of His Shocking New Documentary: DARK SECRETS: INSIDE BOHEMIAN
> > GROVE
> > watch the video online here:
> >
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/j29x9
> >
> >
> > (bear in mind that the ritual depicted here is for the 'outer circle',
> > the largest and most mainstream gathering of the year. This is where
> > each member is allowed to bring a guest. This is recruitment time. The
> > real satanic stuff at the Grove goes on not in the summer time,
> > when this video was shot, but in the autumn , and the autumn rituals
> > are ultra secretive, include only insiders in tiny, concealed groups.
> >
> >
> > The grove itself is a massive, thickly forested rural installation
> > protected by the united states Secret Service. If ritual human
> > sacrifice (murder) were to take place securely and secretly anywhere in
> >
> >
> >
> > America, it would have to be at a place like this, for it to remain a
> > secret for so long, and it would likely be somewhere here, on this
> > forested land, at some dark and obscure time of year.)
> > Child abductee and child prostitute Paul Bonacci has written a book in
> > which he describes taking part as a child in pedophile/murder rituals
> > at Bohemian Grove)
> >
> >
> > Skull and Bones: Secret Satanic Society of the political elite
> > I. http://tinyurl.com/f9bme
> > II. http://tinyurl.com/qrg9p
> >
> >
> > Burned bodies are sometimes connected with rituals involving child
> > sacrifice. The parents should be thoroughly investigated in any case
> > in which a body is found burned, especially that of a youth.
> > Burning the body is of course also a good means of destroying forensic
> > evidence thoroughly. You burn up any finger prints or fibres, and/or
> > conceal the type of injuries inflicted during the killing. I suspect
> > the fire department therefore plays a very large role in secret
> > societies.
> >
> >
> > As far as media/police/establishment complicity in this: the mind
> > boggles.
> > A fish rots from the head down. If you have the allegiance of key
> > offices of power, key to the power structures of society, that may be
> > all that is required.
> > Everyone in authority is with you, or they are out.
> > 'You are with us, or you are against us.' From there follows mysterious
> >
> >
> >
> > hirings and firings, transfers , promotions, demotions. Recruitment.
> > Blacklisting, blackballing, blackmailing, setups, defamations/character
> >
> >
> >
> > assassinations. Bribes. Payouts. Honors. Election financing/voter
> > fraud. Murders. You name it, there are ways to achieve what we are
> > discussing here.
> >
> >
> > The system can be manipulated from within.
> > What comes to mind is that virtually unlimited resources are expended.
> > As in the Jack the Ripper murders (see the film
> >
> >
> >
> > >From Hell, featuring actor Johnny Depp), some of the killings appear to
> >
> >
> > be 'silencings' or people being 'being disappeared' because they know
> > something. Canada's justice system is really something too. How many of
> >
> >
> > these apparently random 'first offence' killers are actually hired to
> > silence people. If they are caught, they know that it means a maximum
> > of about five to eight years inside. Not bad, if you are secretly paid
> > a large sum of money. You do five years inside, but you are making
> > fifty
> > thousand a year to be there , and there is a good chance that you
> > will not even be caught to begin with.
> >
> >
> > Hollywood Films about secret societies to watch:
> >
> >
> >
> > >From Hell
> >
> >
> > Skulls
> > Skulls II
> > Skulls III
> >
> > AS far as a network or a brotherhood, we already have words for some of
> >
> >
> >
> > those: gangs, mafia, etc. How deeply are the bikers, the rappers. or
> > the mafioso tied up in this? Some these pimp
> > 'street gangs' like the Crips and bloods in L.A. or the Canadian street
> >
> >
> >
> > gangs are heavily into child prostitution/procurement.
> > In Halifax it was the Glasgow Guys , a black gang that had a nationwide
> >
> >
> >
> > network of pimps and recruited teenaged girls, transporting them from
> > city to city. and murdering them if they tried to escape or threatened
> > to tell anyone. It emerged that the leaders of many of these
> > rap/pimp/rasta
> > gangs have been heavily into voodoo, paganism, and attending wiccan
> > events/occult parties and gatherings. Larry King was a black politician
> >
> >
> >
> > who ran a child pimping ring in Washington, D.C
> > watch this film: http://tinyurl.com/ykdd9o
> > It is a made-for television documentary that, mysteriously, never made
> > it to air, its broadcast cancelled at the last minute by 'the powers
> > that be'.
> > If you want to know how deep and how high the corruption goes, watch
> > 'The Clinton Chronicles' on Google video.
> >
> >
> > one of the ancient Babylonian human sacrifice rituals involved
> > parents burning their children alive as a sacrifice to 'Molech'
> > Christine Van Hees was ritually sacrificed and burned by Dutroux and
> > his cult.
> > According to people in the area on the night of the murder, who heard a
> >
> >
> >
> > young
> > woman screaming, one of the last utterances Van Hees is said to have
> > issued:
> > "No, not that! Stop! Mum!"
> > Van Hees was murdered not far from her parents home, in the basement
> > of an abandoned farm house, and as part of her torture was doused in
> > kerosine and lit on fire.
> >
> >
> > also of interest:
> > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1-1024319,00.html
> > Dutroux reveals that police helped in teens' kidnap
> > BY AGENCIES IN ARLON, BELGIUM
> >
> >
> > Marc Dutroux, whose face in court cannot be shown under Belgian law
> >
> >
> > Marc Dutroux, the Belgian paedophile, revealed today that police
> > officers helped him to abduct two young women whose bodies were later
> > discovered buried in his garden.
> >
> >
> > Testifying for the first time at his trial, Dutroux said that he
> > abducted An Marchal, 17, and Eefje Lambrecks, 19, with the help of a
> > heroin-addicted friend, who is also on trial, and two other men.
> >
> >
> > "I later found out they were members of the police force," he told the
> > court, without identifying them.
> > Dutroux, 47, a convicted paedophile, is testifying on the third day of
> > his trial in the small town of Arlon. He is accused of kidnapping,
> > imprisoning and repeatedly raping six girls in the 1990s, and killing
> > four of them.
> >
> >
> > His defence team says that he was part of a large paedophile network
> > that reached into the legal establishment.
> >
> >
> > Dutroux told the court: "It is regrettable that four people can never
> > come back. I cannot repair that. If I hadn't agreed to do what I did
> > they would probably be alive.
> >
> >
> > "I cannot accept all responsibility, but take responsibility for the
> > role I played."
> >
> >
> > Dutroux told the court that one of the police officers and his alleged
> > drug-addict accomplice, Michel Lelièvre, raped Ms Marchal after the
> > teenagers were kidnapped while on holiday near the Belgian coastal town
> >
> >
> >
> > of Ostende.
> >
> >
> > But Dutroux denied murdering the two young women, who according to a
> > post-mortem examination, were most likely to have been drugged until
> > they were unconscious and then buried alive.
> >
> >
> > Dutroux said that he left the two young women with Mr Lelièvre and a
> > French accomplice, Bernard Weinstein, whom Dutroux has today denied
> > killing, after previously admitting to murder while in custody. The two
> >
> >
> >
> > men planned to force the women into prostitution.
> >
> >
> > Dutroux told the court: "I never thought that they were going to kill
> > them. I find it a great shame that these girls died. It's a disaster."
> >
> >
> > Their bodies were discovered by the police in September 1996, buried in
> >
> >
> >
> > the garden of a property belonging to Dutroux.
> >
> >
> > A month before, the brutally abused bodies of Julie Lejeune and Melissa
> >
> >
> >
> > Russo, two eight-year-old girls, were unearthed from another Dutroux
> > property, along with that of Mr Weinstein.
> >
> >
> > Post-mortem examination reports showed that the children had starved to
> >
> >
> >
> > death after being raped and beaten.
> > **********
> > transcript of BBC television show broadcast throughout Europe:
> > Correspondent: Belgium's X-Files
> >
> >
> > Tx Date 5th May 2002
> >
> >
> > This script was made from audio tape - any inaccuracies are due to
> > voices being unclear or inaudible
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel says:
> >
> >
> > In 1996 this woman came forward to tell the Belgian
> > authorities she'd spent her childhood years as the victim
> > of a paedophile network.
> > She described a world of organised sexual abuse, torture
> > and even murder.
> > It was terrible, you didn't believe your eyes and I didn't
> > believe that humans could do that.
> >
> >
> > She talked of violent child sex orgies with politicians,
> > judges and influential businessmen; a Belgian
> > underworld in which the establishment has refused to
> > believe.
> >
> >
> > Claude Eerdekens says
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > Regina Louf is a pathological liar; she's a woman who's
> > invented a series of scenarios, which just don't stand up.
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel says:
> > A campaign followed to discredit her evidence. But now,
> > in an exclusive interview, the policeman assigned to
> > investigate her claims has broken his silence.
> > He says the enquiry was blocked because it threatened to
> > reveal too much.
> >
> >
> > Rudy Hoskens says
> > I'm convinced that she has been a victim - that's for sure.
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel says:
> > In June 1996 this Belgian slum revealed a bitter secret
> > that would come to haunt the nation.
> > The eyes of the world watched in horror. Into the light
> > emerged two young girls.
> > Laetitia, aged fourteen and Sabine just twelve were the
> > latest in a long line of girls who'd gone missing.
> >
> >
> > Marc Dutroux, a convicted rapist and kidnapper, had led
> > the police to where he'd imprisoned them.
> > Relief swept Belgium as their tearful homecoming was
> > caught on camera.
> > But it soon turned to horror when police revealed the
> > secret cage hidden in the cellar of Dutroux's house.
> >
> >
> > The girls had been kept here, drugged and repeatedly
> > raped.
> > But what of Belgium's other missing children. Eight year
> > olds Julie and Melissa who were missing for more than a
> > year and twelve others who'd vanished mysteriously.
> >
> >
> > Was this a new lead in the hunt for them?
> >
> >
> > The hopes of their parents were soon dashed. Within
> > days Marc Dutroux led police to the site where the bodies
> > of Julie Lejeune and Melissa Russo were buried.
> > The parents were informed but when the Russos asked to
> > see their daughter, Melissa, for the last time, they were
> > refused.
> >
> >
> > Mother of Melissa
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > We begged, we were crying to see her. Really we insisted
> > with our lawyer, we really cried. They said no, it's not
> > possible, that's the law. But we said what's the point of
> > the law. And they said it's for your own psychological
> > good.
> >
> >
> > Carine Russo
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > It's not up to them to know what's good for our
> > psychological well-being. What would have been good
> > for us was to be certain.
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel says:
> > It's six years since the police unearthed the bodies of
> > Julie and Melissa buried in the garden of this house.
> >
> >
> > What's extraordinary to me is that though Dutroux's in
> > jail, he's never been tried for these crimes. It's as though
> > the judicial system froze when faced with having to bring
> > him to trial.
> >
> >
> > Officially Dutroux lived on benefits yet this house, now
> > derelict, was one of five that he owned.
> > The bodies of two more missing girls were found at
> > another of his houses- Efje Ambrecks and An Marchal.
> >
> >
> > Aston
> > PAUL MARCHAL
> > Father of Victim
> >
> >
> > I didn't believe that it was possible that children were
> > kept in, in a cellar and were raped and, and kept there,
> > until that Dutroux was, taken to prison and that he, that
> > he could see the cellar. At the moment I had to believe.
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> >
> >
> > Before the murders Marc Dutroux had already been
> > convicted of five charges of rape and kidnapping. Yet
> > somehow he'd served only six years in jail before he was
> > released back into the Charleroi underworld.
> >
> >
> > This was once Belgium's industrial heartland but today
> > its most famous industry is crime.
> >
> >
> > Dutroux melted back into this realm of prostitution, drug
> > traffic and stolen cars and began to plan his next project -
> > the kidnap of children.
> > For the parents now burying their murdered daughters
> > after more than a year of fruitless searching, this was not
> > the end of their nightmare. They would soon find out
> > that Dutroux had been a prime suspect from the start, yet
> > nothing had been done to save their girls.
> >
> >
> > Melissa's father is still asking why his daughter was
> > allowed to die.
> >
> >
> > Aston
> > GINO RUSSO
> > Father of Melissa
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > "Ten days after the kidnapping of Julie and Melissa in '95,
> > three witnesses said it was Dutroux who was kidnapping
> > children. But they don't go looking for Julie and Melissa
> > at his house straight after the kidnapping. It's
> > inexplicable. And he continues to kidnap other children.
> > They put a special surveillance unit to watch Dutroux
> > and he continues to kidnap children. It's inexplicable;
> > the whole thing is inexplicable from start to finish."
> >
> >
> > Frenkiel says:
> >
> >
> > What is known is that Dutroux was finally caught when
> > his white van was identified. It had been used to snatch a
> > sixth girl, miles away from his home patch.
> >
> >
> > The man who arrested Dutroux was Jean Marc Conerotte,
> > an investigating magistrate. He became a national hero,
> > uniquely respected by the parents of the murdered
> > children.
> >
> >
> > Paul Marchal
> > "He is someone who want to know the truth. You can feel
> > it when you talk to him, you can feel that he want to
> > investigate, the he want to have the truth. He is a very
> > good magistrate."
> >
> >
> > Conerotte arrested Dutroux's associates. Among the first
> > was Jean Michel Nihoul.
> > Nihoul and Dutroux had been seen at the site of the latest
> > abduction the night before. They'd been in constant
> > phone contact the day it happened. And the next day
> > Nihoul gave ten thousand pounds worth of drugs to an
> > accomplice of Dutroux.
> >
> >
> > One witness claimed, Nihoul had ordered a girl.
> > Conerotte knew Nihoul had influential friends, he
> > suspected he was the brains behind a network supplying
> > clients with children to abuse. It's a charge Nihoul
> > denies.
> > Conerotte appealed to the public for information.
> >
> >
> > "When I saw him walking down the stairs, I thought that I
> > knew everything about him. It was a shock; I thought
> > finally they stopped him.
> > Regina Louf was one of the first to come forward. She
> > said that as a child she'd been abused for many years in a
> > paedophile network involving Nihoul and Dutroux.
> > I remember Jean Michel Nihoul as a very cruel man; he
> > abused children in a very sadistic way.
> >
> >
> > She says that at the age of twelve she was taken with
> > other children to sex parties. And, she told investigators,
> > Dutroux was there, working for Nihoul.
> >
> >
> > REGINA LOUF
> > "Dutroux was a boy who brought drugs, cocaine and
> > something like that, to these parties, who brought some
> > girls, watched girls at these parties. Nihoul, he, he was a
> > sort of party beast. Dutroux was more on the side."
> >
> >
> > Nihoul denies he's ever met Regina Louf. But her story's
> > never changed. Nihoul, she said, was one of those who
> > organised the parties and invited the cream of Belgian
> > society - judges, politicians and influential businessmen
> > in order to compromise them.
> >
> >
> > "It was big business, yeah and it was very well organised
> > too. There was a lot of money going on there and a lot of
> > blackmail also. They had a lot of parties; they filmed it
> > even. So, yes, yes, it exists. I know it sounds crazy and I
> > know that there is a big taboo on everything like that but
> > it exists."
> >
> >
> > Regina Louf's story was horrific. But her account of a
> > violent paedophile underworld was by now reinforced by
> > new witnesses, some of whom also named influential
> > people.
> >
> >
> > The investigation began. The witnesses' identities were
> > protected. Each was given a codename beginning with X.
> > Regina was X-1. They went up to X-9. Their testimonies
> > became known as Belgium's X-Files.
> >
> >
> > The task of trying to verify them fell to a young police
> > investigator.
> >
> >
> > RUDY HOSKENS
> > Team Leader, Police
> > investigation
> >
> >
> > "They were telling stories we hadn't heard before in our
> > lives. Things we couldn't believe at first. So we told
> > ourselves, is this true? Could this be true? And when it
> > is true it's very, it's very, it's frightening that things like
> > that could happen".
> >
> >
> > Rudy Hoskens
> > "We had a special room for the interviews. It was
> > specially kept for people who had been victimised by
> > such matters. There was a camera in the room. They
> > were done mostly in the evening or the early hours.
> > When the interviews were finished, they were written
> > down by a few people of my team, all the way from the
> > first word to the last, literally."
> >
> >
> > Frenkiel
> > But before the investigation could get under way there
> > was a bombshell.
> >
> >
> > Jean Marc Conerotte, the man who'd arrested Dutroux,
> > who'd saved the imprisoned girls, was sacked from the
> > case.
> >
> >
> > His removal caused a public outcry. Belgians lost faith in
> > their judicial system: Crowds descended on the Palace of
> > Justice and accused the courts of colluding with the
> > killers.
> >
> >
> > Crowds shouting
> >
> >
> > The father of one of the murdered girls spoke for all.
> >
> >
> > Gino Russo
> > Subtitles
> >
> >
> > "This decision is like spitting on
> > the graves of Julie and Melissa."
> >
> >
> > Gino Russo
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > "As an investigating magistrate, Conerotte, who arrests
> > ten people and they sack him and they appoint another
> > investigation magistrate, Langlois, who's never done the
> > job before. It's his first appointment in the most
> > important investigation, in the biggest file of the century.
> > You're going to put in an investigating magistrate who's
> > never done the job before - can you understand that?"
> >
> >
> > Three hundred thousand outraged Belgians marched
> > through Brussels in a demonstration of grief and
> > solidarity. This White March was the largest protest the
> > country had ever seen.
> >
> >
> > Frenkiel
> > Belgians felt that the dismissal of Conerotte was a
> > betrayal of Dutroux's victims, that it signalled the end of
> > any real search for a network.
> >
> >
> > The two rescued girls were overwhelmed.
> >
> >
> > Laetitia
> > Subtitle
> >
> >
> > "Thank you for coming in such large numbers."
> >
> >
> > Sabine
> > Subtitle
> >
> >
> > "Thank you all for coming."
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > The country's highest legal authorities had removed the
> > only judge in which the public had any faith because he'd
> > attended a fund raising dinner for the families of missing
> > children. A conflict of interest they'd called it; a lack of
> > judgement. The government feared a revolution.
> >
> >
> > Aston
> > VINCENT DECROLY MP
> > "I think there were a kind of insurrection climate, a kind of
> > pre-revolutionary climate here. You know, the big
> > powers in Belgium so the magistrates and the political
> > circus, the government, the parliament, everything was
> > totally discredited, everything was totally discredited."
> >
> >
> > No one knew what to believe anymore. Rumour and
> > speculation spawned a variety of wild theories.
> >
> >
> > Actor
> > "You will instigate ultimate fear."
> > A full length feature film suggested the whole affair was part of an
> > extreme right wing plot to destabilise the country.
> >
> >
> > Aston
> > 'Blue Belgium'
> > by Rob Van Eyck
> >
> >
> > "I'm very pleased Victor. Three hundred thousand idiots
> > marching in Brussels and an ocean of white balloons -
> > magnificent! Pathetic and impressive at the same time.
> > We really got them exactly where we want them."
> >
> >
> > To appease the public's concern, parliament set up the
> > Dutroux Nihoul Commission.
> > subtitles
> >
> >
> > I propose that the commission
> > observe a moment's silence.
> >
> >
> > 00.15.22
> > Aston
> > VINCENT DECROLY MP
> > Commission member
> > As the pressure grew more and more they decided, in a
> > kind of panic climate, to create the commission because
> > the political world had to try to find an answer.
> >
> >
> > 00.15.35
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > But what the commission revealed was incompetence that
> > beggared belief.
> >
> >
> > Police had been told of Dutroux's plans to make money
> > by kidnapping children. They had his house under
> > surveillance throughout the abductions.
> >
> >
> > They even searched inside and heard the sound of
> > children but failed to find the dungeon.
> > What it established beyond doubt was that the girls could
> > have been saved.
> >
> >
> > Aston
> > CLAUDE EERDEKENS MP
> > Commission member
> >
> >
> > They had everything they needed to arrest Dutroux.
> > That's the scandal of this affair. Dutroux was known; he
> > had previous form. They had valid intelligence that he'd
> > built the hiding place in the cellar for the little girls.
> > There was information from Charleroi that the children
> > could be at the house.
> > But when the parliamentary commission began to ask
> > why, was it incompetence or had someone in authority
> > protected Dutroux, co-operation with their investigation
> > stopped.
> >
> >
> > Aston
> > GINO RUSSO
> > Father of Melissa
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > "It was completely sabotaged to the point that all the work
> > they did has been locked away in archives for thirty
> > years. It was parliament that voted that on itself. Can
> > you imagine?"
> >
> >
> > If the commission's job had been to restore stability, to
> > clear the air of insurrection, it worked.
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > The danger to Belgium's establishment was over. But
> > there was still no answer to the most important question -
> > was the catalogue of failures pure incompetence or had
> > Dutroux and his friends enjoyed protection?
> >
> >
> > Were they protected?
> >
> >
> > Aston
> > CLAUDE EERDEKENS MP
> > Commission member
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > "On the question of protection we didn't discover much,
> > unless you count the best protection that Dutroux could
> > have had and that's the incompetence of Belgium's police
> > and judicial system."
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> >
> >
> > But Jean Michel Nihoul, the man suspected of hiring
> > Dutroux to kidnap children, was released from jail after
> > just five months. It's still unclear if he'll ever come to
> > trial and some members of the commission remain
> > convinced he is protected.
> >
> >
> > Vincent Decroly
> > "We succeeded in demonstrating that Nihoul was really an
> > artist in protection, really a specialised man in
> > manipulating enquiries, policemen and judges. We had
> > proof about that."
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > Nihoul's release just left more unanswered questions for
> > the families. The mother of Melissa, Carine Russo, has
> > access to the legal evidence the court will bring against
> > Dutroux.
> > She's found no answers, nothing to clarify who stole,
> > raped and killed her daughter. All charges Dutroux
> > denies.
> > Carine Russo
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > "Five years on there's still no admission from Dutroux.
> > There's no material evidence, no witness statements,
> > which state that it was Dutroux who really kidnapped the
> > children, who really raped them and who really killed
> > them."
> >
> >
> > 00.18.57
> > Gino Russo
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > "It's a catastrophe because nothing is anymore clear
> > today. Nothing is clear."
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > The parents suspect Dutroux was not acting alone. That
> > others were involved in abducting and hiding the girls.
> >
> >
> > When he was briefly imprisoned for car theft in
> > November 1995, Dutroux claims to have left the girls in
> > his cellar, in this specially constructed cage with a little
> > food and water.
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > On his release, after nearly four months, Dutroux claims
> > he'd found the children barely alive, that he tried to save
> > them but they died in his arms.
> >
> >
> > But for the Russos, this story can't be true.
> >
> >
> > Carine Russo
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > "Four months incarceration of two little girls of eight
> > years old in a cellar in the middle of winter. But when I
> > say cellar it's a little hide built inside the cellar, so it's
> > tiny, three metres by two, even less. No windows,
> > completely dark, they cut off the heating."
> >
> >
> > Gino Russo
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > They cut the electricity and heat.
> >
> >
> > Carine Russo
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > And no food - for four months. Then he says when he
> > came out of prison four months later, they're still alive.
> > Well then they're superhuman. It's unimaginable two
> > children of eight holding out, alone, with nothing to
> > sustain them - no food, no heat, no human, no
> > psychological contact. Nothing. In a little cage like that
> > for such a long time and survive.
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > So how did they survive so long? Did someone else keep
> > them alive?
> >
> >
> > The Palace of Justice in Liege is the seat of one of
> > Belgium's most powerful figures - Prosecutor General
> > Anne Thily, who's in charge of the case.
> >
> >
> > She says there's no evidence to contradict Dutroux's
> > version of how the children died.
> > So how did the children survive so long? Nearly four
> > months, until Dutroux was released from prison.
> > 00.21.12
> > Aston
> > ANNE THILY
> > Prosecutor General
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > No, no, Julie was dead. Melissa was nearly dead and
> > then she died. I think it was the next day.
> >
> >
> > But Melissa, how could she have survived nearly four
> > months?
> > Anne Thily
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > Survive in what condition? In a lamentable state, she
> > was so weak she could not get up. That's according to
> > Dutroux of course; no one else was there.
> >
> >
> > Dutroux was acting alone. This is the mantra repeated
> > again and again in Belgium with a certitude that for the
> > victims' parents is inexplicable.
> >
> >
> > They believe that investigators have blocked every lead,
> > rejected every clue, which would reveal that Dutroux was
> > kidnapping girls for someone else.
> >
> >
> > Most painful perhaps is the autopsy report, which shows
> > Melissa had been repeatedly raped about two weeks
> > before her death, while Dutroux was in jail.
> >
> >
> > So who raped this child? Dutroux denies he raped the
> > girls.
> >
> >
> > But isn't it simple to find out if Dutroux raped them or
> > someone else - scientifically?
> >
> >
> > Carine Russo
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > "Normally yes, in principal, yes. But in fact the most
> > elementary scientific tests, like DNA tests, the traces of
> > the culprit on the body of the child, were just not done."
> >
> >
> > Back in the Palace of Justice they say the DNA tests were
> > done but the results were inconclusive.
> >
> >
> > Can you explain why there was no DNA analysis done?
> >
> >
> > Anne Thily
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > DNA analysis was done Madame!
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > And the results?
> >
> >
> > Anne Thily
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > Nothing.
> >
> >
> > Frenkiel
> > What does that mean? That there was no trace of sperm?
> > Anne Thily
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > They were in a very putrefied state. It did not allow us to
> > make an analysis of that type, of sperm or anything.
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > That's not what's written in the autopsy report. Again
> > the story doesn't square.
> >
> >
> > The bodies weren't severely decomposed. DNA can be
> > identified from samples taken long after death. The
> > question remains unanswered - why is there no DNA
> > result, might it have shown that someone else had raped
> > Melissa?
> >
> >
> > Other forensic tests that should have been routine were
> > just not done. Human hairs collected from Dutroux's
> > dungeon weren't sent for analysis.
> >
> >
> > The logic was strange. They claimed that as there was no
> > evidence anyone else had entered the cage, there was no
> > need to analyse the hair.
> >
> >
> > In five years Conerotte's successor has shed no light on
> > the abduction, imprisonment or death of the girls.
> >
> >
> > Jacques Langlois refused to be interviewed.
> >
> >
> > PAUL MARCHAL
> > Father
> > "Langlois don't believe in a sort of network. For Langlois,
> > Dutroux is the only one who used the girls. For Langlois
> > it's, it's simple; there's one raper, Dutroux, a closed case."
> >
> >
> > Frenkiel
> > By the Spring of 1997, evidence of a paedophile network
> > linked to the Dutroux affair was emerging from the
> > testimony of the X witnesses.
> >
> >
> > Regina Louf had provided investigators with details of
> > her childhood abuse, which they'd begun to check.
> >
> >
> > RUDY HOSKENS
> > Team Leader, Police
> > investigation
> > "In one of her testimonies she explained how a certain
> > person had been murdered in a certain place. So, we
> > went to look for that case, that old case, she described it,
> > where it happened more or less."
> >
> >
> > REGINA LOUF
> > "I remember it like it's a film in my head. I can close my
> > eyes and see every little detail of that house she was
> > murdered."
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > Regina Louf described a house where in 1984 she said
> > she saw the torture and murder of a young girl. The
> > house was connected to an underground mushroom farm.
> >
> >
> > The building has since been demolished. But Rudy
> > Hoskens' team identified it and matched Regina's story
> > to an unsolved murder - that of fifteen year old Christine
> > van Hees.
> >
> >
> > Rudy Hoskens
> > "She gave us some details that made us think it's
> > impossible to give without having been there at that
> > place, or without having, yeah, lived that in the way the
> > body was found at that time and the way she described
> > the person was, was killed. There were some things that
> > were exact."
> >
> >
> > Regina Louf
> > "It was a sort of bondage, so her legs and her hands and
> > her throat were connected with the same rope and when
> > she moved she strangled herself, yeah."
> >
> >
> > Frenkiel
> > The credibility of Regina Louf's testimony hinged partly
> > on whether she really knew the house where Christine
> > Van Hees was killed.
> >
> >
> > This man grew up there, though his family sold it before
> > the murder.
> > It was two houses knocked into one with a unique
> > passage of stairs and corridors. No one, he says, could
> > describe it unless they'd been there.
> >
> >
> > Man
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > "There was the corridor here between the two houses.
> > And she drew a picture of the doors inside. They were
> > antique doors and she drew the mouldings. She
> > described the wallpaper and the front step. I don't know
> > how she could have described it all so faithfully if she'd
> > never entered the house."
> >
> >
> > Man
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > "I don't know Regina Louf; I've never even met her. All I
> > know is from her description of the house, of the
> > mushroom farm, my brother and I agreed, I'm sure, it's
> > certain she entered the mushroom farm. It's certain. "
> >
> >
> > Frenkiel
> > The police were now convinced they were on to
> > something. That Regina Louf's testimony was credible.
> >
> >
> > What's more it gave them a new link between Marc
> > Dutroux and the man accused of being his boss, Jean
> > Michel Nihoul.
> >
> >
> > In the year before her death, Christine Van Hees was a
> > regular visitor to the Brussels ice-rink where Marc
> > Dutroux also went.
> >
> >
> > He'd already been banned from the rink in Charleroi
> > where he was notorious for molesting girls. The manager
> > remembers it well.
> >
> >
> > Ice rink manager
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > "And then I saw him with a young girl who was up against
> > the lockers like this. And Dutroux, who was in front of
> > her with his hands all over her like this."
> >
> >
> > So I grabbed him and pulled him back and brought him
> > over here. At that moment my father-in-law turned up
> > and when he found out what was happening he wanted to
> > hit him. So I grabbed his arm, otherwise he would have
> > punched him."
> >
> >
> > Frenkiel
> >
> >
> > When she wasn't skating Christine Van Hees used to
> > spend time in the building of a pirate radio station. It
> > belonged to Jean Michel Nihoul.
> >
> >
> > Both men, Dutroux and Nihoul, were at Christine Van
> > Hees's murder, according to Regina Louf.
> >
> >
> > And Dutroux was involved in the murder?
> >
> >
> > Regina Louf
> > "He watched it and he didn't do something, anything and
> > also he abused her that night, so, yes, he was involved."
> >
> >
> > How many people were there?
> >
> >
> > Regina Louf
> > "I still don't know for sure. But around eight."
> >
> >
> > Nihoul, Dutroux?
> >
> >
> > Regina Louf
> > "And a lot of others. So. But everybody except Dutroux
> > is free."
> >
> >
> > Oenka Frenkiel
> > Nihoul denied it. But her testimony was dynamite. If
> > true, it meant Dutroux and Nihoul were linked with
> > another murder. But then out of the blue the
> > investigation was stopped.
> >
> >
> > Rudy Hoskens
> > "We received a message that we couldn't investigate
> > anymore just like that. We were sent home. Just like
> > that, without an explanation because our work hadn't
> > been done all right. Very strange."
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > Why were you taken off this case?
> >
> >
> > Rudy Hoskens
> > "I wish I knew. Perhaps we were touching something we,
> > we couldn't touch. Some people say this, we didn't have
> > the proof at that moment to say things like that but
> > perhaps we were coming closer to some things, yeah,
> > perhaps."
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > Like what things?
> >
> >
> > Rudy Hoskens
> > I don't know, something Belgium or the world shouldn't
> > know about.
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > Patric De Baets, the head of Hoskens' team, had been one
> > of Belgium's most respected police investigators. It was
> > he who'd taken Regina's testimony. Now he too was sent
> > home, accused of manipulating her evidence.
> >
> >
> > Patric De Baets, who questioned her, was accused of
> > planting some of the information so that she would
> > reproduce it. You watched that investigation. Was that
> > true?
> >
> >
> > Rudy Hoskens
> > No, no way. No way. We even had some magistrates,
> > judges and superior gendarmerie officers watching how
> > we interviewed and they watched it from the first to the
> > last moment and if we did, hadn't done it right at that
> > time, they should have said to us, don't work that way.
> > But they didn't tell us anything.
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > For De Baets and his colleagues, charged with
> > manipulating an enquiry, a Kafkaesque battle now began
> > to clear their names.
> >
> >
> > They were suspended and Regina Louf got a call from a
> > member of the new team assigned in their place. His
> > motive was clear.
> >
> >
> > Regina Louf
> > "He said well, we have to search for mistakes you made
> > now and you have to prove now that you were right. I
> > said no, I don't have to prove that I'm right. You have to
> > investigate if I'm right or not. I'm not a police officer, I
> > can't do house search and I can't interrogate my abusers,
> > you have to do that. I just can tell my story and, and
> > make testimony, that's all I can do. He said wrong, you
> > have to prove it."
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > News about Regina's story began to leak out.
> >
> >
> > When the media took it up, it was to destroy her.
> >
> >
> > Voice over
> > Subtitles
> >
> >
> > "X-1 and her fantasies -
> > an investigation beyond the real."
> >
> >
> > Presenter
> > Madame, Monsieur, bonsoir...
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > The flagship programme of the government funded
> > French language channel was unequivocal. De Baets was
> > guilty they declared and Regain Louf, a sinister and
> > deranged liar.
> >
> >
> > Claude Eerdekens
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > I think Regina Louf is a pathological liar. She's a
> > woman who's invented scenarios that don't stand up to
> > scrutiny. It's all been shown to be fiction.
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > Well no, not according to the investigators who were
> > sacked. They don't agree with you, they say they weren't
> > even allowed to investigate.
> >
> >
> > Claude Eerdekens
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > No, that's not accurate. I continue to believe these men
> > did not do their jobs properly and that they let the public
> > think that what Regina Louf and the other anonymous
> > witnesses said was partly true. That's all a tissue of lies,
> > stories verging on the pornographic. They make no
> > sense.
> >
> >
> > Oenka Frenkiel
> > Weren't you manipulated? I mean people have said she
> > was completely mad; she invented the whole thing.
> >
> >
> > Rudy Hoskens
> > "Well some people fear, some people say this but they
> > weren't there. We lived all the testimonies, we've seen
> > them, we did the investigations. So, for ourselves, we
> > know what should have been right or what could have
> > been wrong. But when you don't, when you haven't
> > lived it, when you haven't seen everything, you can't give
> > an opinion on this, it's impossible. But we found some
> > things that should have been investigated more."
> >
> >
> > Regina Louf
> > "I am married for thirteen years, I have four children, I live
> > a normal life. I have a business of my own so I am not
> > crazy. We are labelled as crazy, we have a stigma, we are
> > stigmatised as crazy persons because we had the courage
> > to talk about things that happened in our past. With
> > person who played a role in the Belgian economy or
> > politics or something like that. It was easier to make us
> > crazy than to believe us."
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > Despite its earlier investigating zeal, Belgium's
> > parliament now stood by as Regina Louf's testimony was
> > declared worthless. The judiciary announced it would
> > not be used in any trial.
> >
> >
> > Snf that might have been the end of it had the files of the
> > entire Dutroux investigation not been leaked.
> >
> >
> > Marie-Jeanne Van Heeswyck and two other investigative
> > journalists had access to every witness statement, every
> > police report in the Dutroux affair.
> >
> >
> > Their book on Belgium's X-Files shook the country.
> >
> >
> > Frenkiel
> > How did you get the information for the book?
> >
> >
> > Aston
> > MARIE-JEANNE VAN
> > HEESWYCK
> > Journalist
> > "We had the opportunity to see the whole police file on
> > the, the affair and the problem is that we wanted to be
> > sure that there was no manipulation between, behind that
> > because it's, it's always possible. So, we decided to meet
> > a lot of people who were named in the files, who were
> > witnesses in the file. And we met those people, without
> > saying that, what we knew already. And we listened to
> > their story."
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > They found the new team had rewritten Regina Louf's
> > original statements. Testimony had been changed.
> >
> >
> > Marie-Jeanne Van Heeswyck
> > "We began to check it. And we began to read again all the
> > questioning of Regina Louf to see how they did that,
> > rewrite it. And one by one we discovered that the
> > gendarmes, police of De Baets, had pretended that De
> > Baets manipulate, had manipulated the investigation. So
> > everybody was tricked."
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > To this day no evidence has ever been produced to
> > support the allegations against De Baets. Yet he
> > continues to be accused.
> >
> >
> > I met him and his colleague in a Brussels café.
> >
> >
> > Their careers are in ruins and the investigation into
> > Regina's story is dead. And yet two separate inquires,
> > cleared them of every charge that they manipulated her
> > testimony.
> >
> >
> > Patric De Baets
> > "I show you the final report of the internal inquiry of the
> > gendarmerie. It was made twenty-sixth June 2000."
> >
> >
> > Frenkiel
> > So what does this mean?
> >
> >
> > Patric De Baets
> > "That I'm not a bad policeman."
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > But now that's cleared you, you face new, new charges,
> > new allegations, new accusations against you.
> >
> >
> > Patric De Baets
> > I'm not afraid, I'm not afraid of that because I know the
> > conclusions will be the same.
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > But why this constant barrage of accusations?
> >
> >
> > Patric De Baets
> > I don't know. I can imagination things but I can't explain
> > them.
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > For six years the parents of the murdered girls have
> > grappled with the inexplicable. Why were their
> > daughters left to die? Why has Dutroux never come to
> > trial and why has every lead that might have revealed a
> > network behind Dutroux been blocked or ignored?
> >
> >
> > But Belgium's lost interest in their struggle. Today
> > anyone who talks of a network, even the parents, is
> > dismissed as deranged.
> >
> >
> > Paul Marchal
> > I talked in press about children who were raped and so on
> > and they started again with saying that I'm a little bit
> > foolish and that I'm fantasising. I'm sure that in several
> > years everyone will believe that networks will exist then
> > they have to accept.
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > Since Marc Dutroux's arrest anyone who's questioned
> > the official line has been attacked. Every lead that might
> > have widened the net has hit the buffers.
> >
> >
> > Dutroux meanwhile has sat in jail. But outside, in the
> > shadowy circles in which he moved, potential witnesses
> > in the Dutroux affair have died in strange ways.
> >
> >
> > A police informer with links to the Charleroi underworld,
> > Jose Steppe, told a journalist he had explosive
> > information on Dutroux. Two days before they were due
> > to meet he died. His family believes he was poisoned.
> >
> >
> > Jean Paul Tamino was up to his neck in the Charleroi
> > underworld of stolen cars and prostitution. He was
> > summoned to see the Charleroi police and disappeared.
> > The day of Dutroux's arrest his foot was fished out of the
> > canal.
> >
> >
> > Regina Louf
> > "It's quite a coincidence that they die just before they want
> > to testify, you know, that's strange."
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > Social worker, Gina Pardaens worked with abused
> > children. She'd identified the paedophile members of a
> > pornography ring who'd threatened her. When she
> > reported the threat to the police she was killed in an
> > unexplained car crash.
> >
> >
> > Francois Reyskens told a friend he'd seen one of the
> > missing girls, Melissa, alive in Holland. Before he could
> > tell the police his body was found crushed on the railway
> > line. (sound of Train).
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > Some twenty people, all potential witnesses in the
> > Dutroux affair, have died in mysterious circumstances.
> > Regina Louf
> > "I survived it all, I don't know why. I survived my
> > abusers, I survived my testimony just because I said it all.
> > Why kill me now, you know, I'm mad."
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > An uneasy peace has returned to Belgium. The streets
> > are calm; the danger of insurrection has passed.
> > The paedophile networks persist. Sometimes there are
> > even arrests. Earlier this year nineteen men from one
> > village were charged with child rape.
> >
> >
> > But the Dutroux affair has paralysed Belgium's judiciary.
> > After six years in jail, there is still no date for his trial.
> > When it comes, it will satisfy no one.
> >
> >
> > Paul Marchal
> > The trial of Dutroux, it will be a theatre, circus and I
> > don't want to be part of a circus. The truth is that there is
> > a network and that they have to search for that network so
> > that you can save other children in the future.
> >
> >
> > Carine Russo
> > Voice over
> >
> >
> > "In this country we will never get to the truth. There is
> > just too much truth that needs to be exposed. I am
> > certain that the people want to understand; they are
> > capable of understanding a lot more than the politicians
> > and judiciary want to tell them. They treat the public like
> > children."
> >
> >
> > Regina Louf
> > "I did what I could do. I testified, I spoke up to the police,
> > to the judges, I spoke up to the press, you know, I yelled
> > it out. What can I do anymore now, I can't."
> >
> >
> > Olenka Frenkiel
> > Children continue to go missing in Belgium. Dutroux's
> > arrest has made no difference. Last year it was more than
> > two thousand.
> > Fifty-two of those cases remain unsolved.
> >
> >
> > Voice over
> > Olenka Frenkiel is live on-line now. Express your
> > opinions and e-mail her your questions at:
> >
> >
> > www.bbc.co.uk/correspondent
> >
> >
> > Reporter
> > OLENKA FRENKIEL
> > ****************
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­­-----
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.newcriminologist.co.uk/news.asp?id=203148388
> >
> >
> > Latest on Canadian Pig Farmer, Robert Pickton's Serial Murder Trial:
> > Judge Steps Down
> > Published on Thursday, June 02, 2005 | Author MORRIS, Nick.
> >
> >
> > Justice Geoffrey Barrow of British Columbia Supreme Court, the judge
> > that was scheduled to preside over Canada's most prolific murder case
> > was replaced Wednesday just days into pre-trial proceedings.
> >
> >
> > Justice Barrow is stepping down from the trial of Robert Pickton, who
> > stands accused of at least 22 murders and is believed to be Canada's
> > most prolific serial killer.
> >
> >
> > Associate Chief Justice Patrick Dohm informed lawyers at a short
> > hearing that Justice Barrow cannot hear the case due to "scheduling
> > problems."
> >
> >
> > Dohm said he'll be replaced by Justice James Williams, who normally
> > sits in New Westminster's Supreme Court.
> >
> >
> > Pickton watched the events unfold as he appeared via a video link from
> > the pre-trial centre, where he is currently incarcerated. Dressed in a
> > black and grey shirt, he passively observed the scene in the courtroom.
> >
> >
> >
> > Pickton viewed proceedings via video link.
> > Pickton viewed proceedings via video link. (?AP)
> >
> >
> > Justice Barrow had only heard two days worth of arguments for and
> > against a strict publication ban on pre-trial proceedings, that has
> > been imposed on the trial. The hearing is due to resume on Friday and
> > lawyers have been informed that they will need to recap their views on
> > the ban. Dohm has said "The court will not lose any real time in this
> > change."
> >
> >
> > Pickton, a pig farmer from Vancouver's Port Coquitlam district has been
> >
> >
> >
> > in custody since his arrest on 7 February 2002, following a lengthy
> > search of his farm and other properties he has owned. The search
> > revealed the remains of 15 bodies located on his farm.
> >
> >
> > In January of 2004 the remains of a further 10 women were found. In
> > total 31 separate traces of DNA have been found on Pickton's property.
> >
> >
> > Most of the victims are believed to have been vulnerable women working
> > in the sex-trade in Vancouver's seedy Downtown Eastside area. The first
> >
> >
> >
> > woman to go missing from the area was Rebecca Guno, a prostitute and
> > drug addict, in June of 1983.
> >
> >
> > Since her disappearance, 61 women have been reported as missing from
> > the BC area. It was not until early 2002, 19 years after the first
> > woman vanished, that police made any charges in connection with any of
> > the disappearances.
> >
> >
> > After a few months of searching Pickton's pig farm, police charged him
> > with seven counts of murder. In September and October of 2002 he was
> > charged with a further eight counts of murder, following the discovery
> > of yet more remains on his property. DNA traces of another victim were
> > discovered on 9 January 2003, just days before Pickton's 13 January
> > pre-trial, but officers announced that they would not be adding any
> > further charges until afterwards, fearing that it would cause lengthy
> > delays to the case.
> >
> >
> > Crown prosecutor Mike Petrie and Pickton's defence lawyer Peter Ritchie
> >
> >
> >
> > would not comment on the reasons behind the switch of judges and how
> > they felt about it, but the public opinion is one of surprise. Many
> > feel that problems such as scheduling should have been considered
> > before the preliminary hearing began. The general consensus was that
> > the trial would continue into next year.
> >
> >
> > Justice James Williams will preside over the restarted preliminary
> > hearing when it starts this Friday.
> > ********************
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­­-----
> >
> >
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/yxbp83
> >
> >
> > 'On March 10, 2004, it was revealed that human flesh may have been
> > ground up and mixed with pork from the farm.
> > This pork was never distributed commercially, but was handed out to
> > friends and visitors of the farm.'
> > *************
> > the way this system operates is that key people are put in key places.
> > For example
> >
> >
> > Republican (so-called conservative) Congressman Mark Foley was revealed
> >
> >
> >
> > to be aggressively gay in pursuit of male teenagers and youth working
> > as pages in the house.
> > Then we find that he was placed in positions to influence policy
> > in certain ways:
> >
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/yx269u
> > 'Foley played a leadership role on AIDS issues, supported the
> > Employment Not-Discrimination Act, opposed anti-gay provisions of
> > faith-based legislation, and voted against the Federal Marriage
> > Amendment.
> > He also co-chaired the Congressional Missing and Exploited Children's
> > Caucus and helped to write much of the legislation regarding
> > prosecution of pedophiles and child pornographers.'
> >
> >
> > ******************
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­­-----
> >
> >
> >
> > http://xfilescanada.spaces.live.com/blog/
> >
> >
> > Pickton Murders
> >
> >
> > The lawyer representing U.S. television stations said he does
> > not believe the publication ban covers the Internet.
> > But the stations have said they will black out transmissions
> > to Canada.
> > RCMP Const. Katherine Galliford said "police will be watching
> > for violations of the publication ban." She goes on to say
> > "And if there are any concerns that come to light we'll
> > certainly investigate that further," Mentioning nothing about
> > possible connections to missing children, or other serial
> > killers involved in satanic cults reaching at least from
> > Mission to Vancouver. She makes no comment that the police
> > have stood down their watch on the Vancouver East Side.
> >
> >
> > In May 2005, Crown attorneys added 12 more first-degree murder
> > charges against Pickton, bringing the grim total to 27.
> > Rebecca Guno, a drug addict and prostitute, vanished from
> > Vancouver's downtown eastside in June 1983. Her name was the
> > first of 61 that would eventually be placed on the list of
> > women to disappear mysteriously from the drug-infested area
> > over the two decades that followed.
> > It wasn't until 19 years later, early in 2002, that charges
> > were laid in any of the cases. The charges came not long after
> > police focused their efforts on a farm in Port Coquitlam,
> > outside Vancouver. Dozens of officers scoured the farm in
> > search of evidence.
> > Within months, the owner of that farm, 53-year-old Robert
> > William Pickton, would face seven murder charges.
> > September 1998: - Vancouver police set up a team to review
> > files of up to 40 women missing as far back as 1971. One
> > tracked down, deaths of two others from illeness, overdose,
> > confirmed but no trace of many others.
> > In July 2002, police made a plea for the public's help in
> > locating nine more missing women, and said that if they cannot
> > be found, their names will be added to the list of 54 other
> > women who are missing.
> > In the spring of 1999, two Vancouver detectives teamed up with
> > two RCMP detectives to review the file pertaining to the 31
> > missing women. In August of that year police began
> > investigating an account by a woman, not a prostitute, who
> > said that a man snatched her from the stairwell of a hotel in
> > Vancouver's downtown eastside. The woman jumped from her
> > captor's moving vehicle to escape.
> > Accusations that police haven't done enough reached a fever
> > pitch when former detective and geographic profiler Kim Rossmo
> > claimed he told police that a serial killer was at work in the
> > Vancouver area and was ignored. Rossmo said that
> > disappearances from the neighborhood were normal, but that the
> > number of incidents was abnormally high between 1995 and 1998.
> >
> >
> > "If these activities go back to, say, 1995, seven years ago,
> > some of (the victims) could be buried fairly deep," says
> > former Vancouver police officer Kim Rossmo, an expert in
> > serial killers. Contrary to his earlier statment for some
> > unknown reason, he later says,"Now, one factor to the benefit
> > of the police is criminals are lazy, so they're not going to
> > be 40 feet below the surface,"
> > Rossmo, who sued the Vancouver department for wrongful
> > dismissal when they failed to renew his contract, claimed that
> > a single predator was responsible for killing prostitutes in
> > downtown Vancouver. The Vancouver department dismissed his
> > claims as sour grapes.
> >
> >
> > In 1998 I was introduced to Willy Pickton by a local Freemason
> >
> >
> > West Baker. "Be careful, not everyone that has gone down that
> >
> >
> > road has come back" was the ominous warning he gave me, he
> >
> >
> > also warned me to stay out of the pig barn after 11:00 pm, or
> >
> >
> > I would be horrified at what I saw, as Willy liked to butcher
> >
> >
> > all different kinds of animals, in all different ways, like a
> >
> >
> > Nazi doctor experimenting on Jews might. At first it seemed
> >
> >
> > there was very little out of the ordinary, except the saturday
> >
> >
> > "cock fights", and the all night orgies and strange foods at
> >
> >
> > "Piggies Palace" however, after the news broke in 2002, creepy
> >
> >
> > things just outside of my awareness started to make a whole
> >
> >
> > lot more sense, and I, having done business there, was
> >
> >
> > publicly requested to give a statment to the police. So I
> >
> >
> > attended a series of interviews with the police "Missing
> >
> >
> > women's task force" regarding the matter and submitted my dna
> >
> >
> > sample as requested, spent hours under the lights and camera,
> >
> >
> > almost as if I was on the spot. I was assured my dna would
> >
> >
> > only be used in this case, I found this to be untrue, much
> >
> >
> > later. I noticed something strange about the whole thing
> >
> >
> > though. Appathy. They didn't seem to care about the
> >
> >
> > implications of what I said, they were more interested in what
> >
> >
> > I knew, they didn't seem to have the humanity, they were
> >
> >
> > strangly detached, so I tested them a little, and found them
> >
> >
> > not interested in the victims, or the truth behind the
> >
> >
> > implications. I suggested, perhapse they start a missing
> >
> >
> > children's task force, they thought that was funny, their
> >
> >
> > micro expressions gave that away, though they didn't laugh.
> >
> >
> > All of a sudden, it dawned on me, their in on it, the
> >
> >
> > vancouver police were rounding them up, and Willy Pickton who
> >
> >
> > dealt with them on a weekly basis, (he had an inside track on
> >
> >
> > abandoned vehicles), was getting another cleanup contract, all
> >
> >
> > the girls who were robbing the other drug addicts, instead of
> >
> >
> > normal citizens, and were unable to re-pay their dealers, and
> >
> >
> > had deteriorated (look at their faces) to a point as to be
> >
> >
> > useless as prostitutes, were flaged by the Hell's Angels.
> >
> >
> > Delivered to the farm in abandoned vehicles, and proccessed by
> >
> >
> > Willy who was a mechanic, and a butcher. I realised the
> >
> >
> > taskforce was compromised some how, so I pretended to still be
> >
> >
> > their friend, and conducted my own investigation. As my own
> >
> >
> > investigations, and "interviews" later revieled, the victim's
> >
> >
> > thyroid glands, adrenaline glands, and other "Delacacies" were
> >
> >
> > extracted from the dead, or sometimes still living beings,
> >
> >
> > before the rest was put through a wood chipper, and fed to the
> >
> >
> > "Piggies" Willy called them. Before the Media Ban, the Mayor
> >
> >
> > of Port Coquitlam admitted to dining at a farm also owned by
> >
> >
> > the Picktons, just down the road from Dominion St, there is an
> >
> >
> > ominous quancet, on Burns Road the infamous "Piggies Palace".
> >
> >
> > There were blood rituals there, adrenaline glands as
> >
> >
> > appatizers, next to the cocaine dishes, during an all night
> >
> >
> > orgy, the girls not yet ready to be served were kept captive
> >
> >
> > at another location, and brought out as they were needed, for
> >
> >
> > what ever purpose...so... here I am, kind of the odd man out
> >
> >
> > so to speak, surrounded by vampyres, from dusk till dawn, so
> >
> >
> > to speak with no real idea what was going on until much later.
> >
> >
> > Politicans connected to Hell's Angels, connected to free
> >
> >
> > Masons, oddfellows, illuminati, witches, warlocks, satanists,
> >
> >
> > police, my "friends". Judges that put the media ban on this
> >
> >
> > are in league with them as well too, Conrad Black owns all of
> >
> >
> > our media, is a buildiberger. It would seem that these secret
> >
> >
> > societies run our whole world, and they eat us too. Well, I
> >
> >
> > really didn't expect to find this but I did. After the horror
> >
> >
> > I saw, it will be a release if they come to kill me, cause I
> >
> >
> > havn't even got to the best part yet, the tunnels. More of the
> >
> >
> > missing woman and children should be found in the old train
> >
> >
> > tunnels of New Westminster, than run deep underground to
> >
> >
> > vancouver and to coquitlam, where they are blood fed, and put
> >
> >
> > to use as required, people often hear them under the city, in
> >
> >
> > the sewers, and under the stores along Front St. women
> >
> >
> > sobbing, children crying, they are believed to be ghosts when
> >
> >
> > heard, so people back track real quick, and never made the
> >
> >
> > true discovery yet, but I did. Take a walk in the old
> >
> >
> > abandoned train tunnel at waterfront station in Vancouver if
> >
> >
> > you want to meet them. Most of those people are no longer
> >
> >
> > people anymore, they would kill a person who tryed to save
> >
> >
> > them, like a cat raised in an apartment, they would run from
> >
> >
> > an open door to freedom. The royal engineers from old
> > Westminster in England, brought these tunneling practices from
> >
> >
> > their country over here, as well as their secret societies,
> >
> >
> > and did their merlin black magic rituals with them.
> > Some of those people in the tunnels, have been born and raised
> >
> >
> > there, and they eat their dead. I just don't think social
> >
> >
> > services can handle that kind of rehabilitation, I don't know
> >
> >
> > just what we should do, it would appear if you follow the
> >
> >
> > traces, back through the Freemasons and such...I bet even the
> >
> >
> > Queen is blood fed...no wonder heaven won't help us. Somehow
> >
> >
> > Dave pickton got the contract to demolish and excavate
> >
> >
> > Woodlands Insane Assylum, fitting, he has experience
> >
> >
> > excavating mass unmarked graves, who else would the city of
> >
> >
> > New Westmonster call. Did you ever wonder where all of those
> >
> >
> > in-patients from RiverView and Woodlands went?? They did't
> >
> >
> > just release 500 insane people... did they? P and B Used
> >
> >
> > Building Supplies, and P and B Salvage are just two of the
> >
> >
> > companies owned by Dave and family. I heard another recent
> >
> >
> > little tid bit from the Pickton's self proclaimed "good
> >
> >
> > friend" of 25 years, West Baker, who runs the surplus store
> >
> >
> > 623 front street, New Westminster, who has 200 institutional
> >
> >
> > meal trays in his back store-room (for some reason), and an
> >
> >
> > access tunnel to the underground cattacombs of New West, who
> >
> >
> > has strong connections (sells them explosives such as live
> >
> >
> > grenades) with local Nazi activists, (Dale you know who you
> >
> >
> > are) who also lives commonlaw with Kathy Arcand, Dave
> >
> >
> > Pickton's Ex-Goulfriend. West claimes that Willy Pickton owns
> >
> >
> > all the land that the Picktons still hold, they just switched
> >
> >
> > around the titles and holdings, and the fun loving Willy is
> >
> >
> > ripping us tax payers off for a team of lawyers that he
> >
> >
> > doesn't pay for, so when they all help him get away with it
> >
> >
> > too, like they did when he went to trial in 1994 for stabbing
> >
> >
> > a prostitute in the back several times, she managed the knife
> >
> >
> > away from him and slit his throat in self defence, so he got
> >
> >
> > off... So i'ts business as usual, Dave wont even speak to
> >
> >
> > Willy, because he doesn't want to blow their cover. Dave goes
> >
> >
> > to Sturges, where they make their plans for September... As
> >
> >
> > for this going on elseware, I think all the world should check
> >
> >
> > very carefully for strange things in the cattacombs and
> >
> >
> > tunnels of their cities, you never know, there could be
> >
> >
> > someones loved one there, waiting for the light of day.
> > ****************
> > check out the blood-drinker headed down into what could be
> > one of North Korea's tunnels:
> >
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/yldqb8
> >
> >
> > this brief segment of street-level surveillance video of street-goers
> > was
> > shot in one of North Korea's occult power centers, all shot within
> > close proximity of oneanother (area dominated by massive masonic
> > obelisk monument) over the course of one morning.
> > a bureaucratic office complex area infested with military police and
> > what appear to be bureaucrats.
> >
> >
> > (the person is pale, with a red scarf,  and a white shirt stained with
> > blood)
> >
> >
> > ************
> >
> >
> > for an idea of how crazy things can get watch The Clinton Chronicles:
> > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3251077391435895140&q=clinton...
> >
> >
> >
> > ************
> >
> >
> > Hells Angels
> >
> >
> > The Hells Angels actually have a direct connection & origin with Skull
> > n' Bones.
> >
> >
> > It might seem bizarre but here it is:
> >
> >
> > The Hells Angels in the early days were made up in large part of
> > Vietnam War veterans, who brought back with them their penchant for
> > opium trafficking. There was a huge illicit drug trade component to the
> >
> >
> >
> > Korean and Vietnamese wars. A good Hollywood film about this is the
> > film Air America starring Mel Gibson (1990) about the CIA's private
> > airline, and their drug smuggling operations in Cambodia (CIA sold
> > drugs and guns in Laos during the Vietnam War to finance its secret
> > operations in SouthEast asia)
> > Anyway, there are some who say the Vietnam War was exactly what JFK
> > thought it was and tried to prevent: an unecessary war that turned out
> > to be nothing more than a gigantic arms dealer / drug lord scam foisted
> >
> >
> >
> > on the American people. The war meant tens of billions to American gun,
> >
> >
> >
> > armaments, chemical weapons, and munitions dealers, not to mention drug
> >
> >
> >
> > lords, and when JFK threatened to disband the CIA and cease their plans
> >
> >
> >
> > for the war in Vietnam, it was one of the reasons that the CIA
> > assassinated JFK.
> > watch JFKII on Google video for an excellent recap of why JFK was
> > killed and who did it.
> > Anyway, the Hells Angels was composed largely of 'retired' and
> > drug-addicted Vietnam-era CIA operatives and cocaine-snorting war
> > veterans.(burnouts) who had lived their entire careers /lives
> > outside/above the law during their varous oversees and domestic
> > adventures. They were not a very pleasant group of people . George Bush
> >
> >
> >
> > Senior and his CIA skull n' Bones clan assassinated JFK & launched the
> > Vietnam War under Lyndon B. Johnson. The Hells Angels have always been
> > a distribution conduit/network for illegal drugs imported by the CIA
> > into NA. (Guess they were sick of letting the Italian mafiosos make all
> >
> >
> >
> > the money! so they let their fellow Bonesmen's friends and CIA running
> > dogs take over a lot of the street traffic.
> > So, now you know why the Angels always seem to be connected with this
> > occult stuff. They are called 'Hells'' Angels for a reason, you know!
> > To get up to speed on the whole JFK thing watch the following
> > film online here: http://tinyurl.com/yfja2y JFK II
> >
> >
> > and also rent Oliver Stone's 1991 film 'JFK', starring Kevin Costner as
> >
> >
> >
> > chief prosecutor .
> >
> >
> > I have little doubt now that many of these 'serial murders' throughout
> > the christian world, are actually ritual rapes and blood-drinkings and
> > burnings carried out by Skull n' Bones -type cults, involving
> > essentially the most dangerous and brazen and deadly people in the
> > world: the Secret Services and Intellegencia at the pinnacle of the
> > world's political and economic elite..
> > It could be that these bodies are being discarded from flying planes in
> >
> >
> >
> > the same that these planes do regular drug drops.
> >
> >
> > actually my background on the Hell's Angels was not quite accurate, in
> > that it implied that the Hell's Angels formed only after the Vietnam
> > War.
> > The gang actually had its roots from the Korean war, because a big part
> >
> >
> >
> > of the CIA role in the wars in both Korea and Vietnam were about
> > trading guns for drugs. Exporting guns to SouthEast asia, to BOTH
> > sides, often in exchange for drugs to be brought back to the U.S. via
> > Air America, the CIA's unofficial airforce. After all, how are you
> > going to start a profitable war in Asia, selling guns to both sides, if
> >
> >
> >
> > a lot of people cannot even afford to buy your guns? The solution was
> > to trade guns for drugs, to link up with the drug mafias in Asia. Fly
> > tons of guns and ammunition into S.E. Asia, and on the same planes fly
> > back tons of drugs , (cocaine and heroine and hashish you name it) into
> >
> >
> >
> > the United States. (usually the west coast, which is part of the reason
> >
> >
> >
> > LeftCoast Lotusland has its reputation as a druggie haven)
> > The CIA needed a conduit for taking delivery of the drugs in the U.S. ,
> >
> >
> >
> > and this is where the Hells Angels had their beginnings.
> > Even the corpses of returning Vietnam War soldiers were packed with
> > heroine and cocaine.
> >
> >
> > When the Vietnam War ended, the CIA started up their adventures in
> > South America, mainly because that was their business, and the end of
> > the Vietnam War meant they needed a new gig. Their business was and is
> > to start wars in drug-producing regions, and trade armaments for drugs
> > to be imported into the U.S. and other countries.
> >
> >
> > I am sure there were more than a few incidents of bikers and mafia
> > harrassing or ordering hits on Vietnam War protesters and peace
> > activists.
> >
> >
> > Anyway, the same pattern has continued to this day.
> > The opium production of Afghanistan has tripled since the U.S. invaded
> > in 2001. My guess is that the heroine trade from Florida and New
> > Orleans, north to New York is flourishing,
> > as that is a likely conduit point for the drugs coming out of the
> > Middle East.
> >
> >
> > *****************
> > Ted Gunderson and the CIA's International Trafficking in Children
> >
> >
> > Former head of FBI Ted Gunderson exposes a pedphile network run by the
> > CIA for satanic purposes.
> >
> >
> > watch online:
> >
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/ujghu
> > ****************
> > "The Ted Gunderson Files"
> >
> >
> > http://educate-yourself.org/tg/
> >
> >
> > Haven't had time to go through all of them, but am linking directly to
> > Gunderson's article on the abduction/disappearance of Johnny Gosch:
> >
> >
> > http://educate-yourself.org/tg/goschcradiointerview19aug03.shtml
> >
> >
> > and, still regarding Johnny Gosch with pics of the boys:
> >
> >
> > from http://www.johnnygosch.com/
> >
> >
> > **********
> >
> >
> >  am placing the Johnny Gosch abduction info here as a theory that
> > relates to the sex industry and organized crime.
> >
> >
> > The recent possibility/belief that journalist Jeff Gannon is Johnny
> > Gosch, coincides with the suicide(??) of Hunter S. Thompson:
> >
> >
> > http://educate-yourself.org/cn/goschgannohuntertrublingtale05apr05.shtml
> >
> >
> >
> > Gonzo journalist, Hunter Thompson wrote a book called "The Strange and
> > Terrible Saga of the Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs" which chronicled his
> > living and riding with the HA in California. Paul Banacci (who admits
> > to having originally abducted Johnny Gosch) maintains that Hunter
> > Thompson was the camera man involved in a snuff movie made while
> > Banacci was involved with the pedophile ring that Johnny Gosch was
> > abducted into.
> >
> >
> >  am convinced that we have now found generally who is doing the
> > majority of these things.
> >
> >
> > Most of the prostitution surrounds 'procurement' activities. Sometimes
> > it is young guys approached by older guys/richer guys "Get me some
> > drugs. get me some girls."(the younger the pimp, the younger the girls
> > he has access to , so some of the real young guys going missing are
> > probably small time drug pushers and pimps who have done business with
> > the wrong people and need to be shut up. Maybe somewhere along there
> > someone decided that gang 'hits' on people should actually be
> > profitable for the gang. Why just take someone out in a mob hit when
> > that person can actually be sold and then killed.)
> >
> >
> > These rich bastards get more sadistic. They are used to getting what
> > they want, when they want, and doing whatever they lwant to whoever
> > they want to do it to. So when they watch the porn, the VERY hard
> > stuff, they want more, then they want it made to order, then they want
> > the real thing. They ask around . They find a circle of people into it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Girls who will be hurt for money. From there, they find
> > their way into the real monsters, the people who pay big money to kill
> > the girl's babies, drink their blood. Some girls think its a good way
> > to make drug money. Some have pimps or gangs push them into it, further
> >
> >
> >
> > and further and further along. They can get girsl who ran away from
> > home at 13, spent a year in Jamaica, her pimps are moving her around.
> > They go where the money is. If there is a Superbowl or an Olympics or a
> >
> >
> >
> > World Series or a big Stones gig, anything big and decadent that
> > attracts money, they want to be there with the young young young girls.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thes eguys get connected. They collect girls like ranchers collect
> > horses, keep small groups of fed and groomed women addicted to drugs
> > working for them. The money in this is huge. These girls fry their
> > brains on drugs, forget who they are, where they are, even which city
> > or country they are in. They appear in porn flicks. They get tied and
> > whipped, locked in boxes, hung from ropes . Then they go back to the
> > hotel room.Then one night they get taken to someone who takes it all
> > the way , and they get tortured to death or burned alive. And their
> > owner gets a great big cash deposit into a new account that someone
> > gave them a password for the previous week. $200,000.
> > Welcome to the world of the ultra rich, the CIA , secret service, high
> > society adventure boys. They believe in living life as though it is one
> >
> >
> >
> > big movie set.
> > Someone real high up has a lot of power. Their group is expanding ,
> > they manipulate things to make sure their choice for mayor or police
> > chief gets in, and competitors get destroyed. The money flows.
> > The bottom line is , this stuff is the the ultimate luxury. It takes
> > money.
> > Rich criminals. Rich period, are into this.
> > This is the anything goes world of the ultra rich, the Bushes, theCIA
> > adv Then these groups get addicted to it. they grow. They need more
> > girls.
> > Rich gays and pedophiles get into it. More and more people start
> > disappearing. Young men, children.The Hells angels are all ex- CIA drug
> >
> >
> >
> > addicts and sadists who have lost it . The rich have private security,
> > private investigators, many of them ex police officers,ex marines, ex
> > CIA or CSIS or MI6 agents. They build up little private armies of these
> >
> >
> >
> > people, and these people have friends. Soldiers, bikers, dealers,
> > pimps, mob contacts.
> > They help out. They have contacts in the govt.,police dept., coroner's
> > office. Investigations are shut down, people reassigned, people have
> > little 'accidents', people 'commit suicide' at surprising times. The
> > police start to give up.
> > The killings become more frequent, and the cults less selective about
> > their victims. Less careful, less demanding. So then just about anyone
> > will do as a victim, anyone who won't go missed , whose disappearance
> > won't be notable, who will not be protected, and who is considered
> > generally useless.
> >
> >
> > You want to find your killers, follow the money. Most of this is about
> > drugs and occult and pimping and total depravity.
> >
> >
> > Well, basically we have it all figured out now.
> > I think we now know what is generally happening to the majority of
> > these missing people. They 'disappear ' for a few days, then their
> > bodies
> > are found. The people taking them often work for various CIA
> > operations, CIA-connected biker gangs
> > and organized crime networks.
> >
> >
> > Listen to this excellent internet radio show
> > the Alex Jones show:
> >
> >
> > (you have to realize that what he is saying is true. Most will not
> > believe
> > it because it is so incredible, but once you start checking it all out,
> >
> >
> >
> > everything, absolutley EVERYTHING, he is saying on his daily radio show
> >
> >
> >
> > is true. He has grown so popular that this show is broadcast on over
> > 100 public AM and FM radio stations across the United States.)
> >
> >
> > click here to listen:
> > http://www.nfowars.net:443/stream1.pls
> >
> >
> > Here is one more of Alex Jones videos:
> >
> >
> > Order of Death
> >
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/hy7t9
> >
> >
> > ***********
> >
> >
> > Check out this information on the cult killings in Burgundy, France (a
> > medievil village full of ancient castles, including some owned the
> > Rothschild family)
> >
> >
> > This case began with the 1991 discovery of imprisoned and tortured
> > slaves, led to the discovery of several buried bodies, and involved
> > emerging evidence of a network that had killed possibly hundreds of
> > people.
> > It also featured a massive coverup, a deluge of destroyed evidence,
> > compromised judges, an investigator murdered. Sound familiar?)
> >
> >
> > http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/auxerre/index.html
> >
> >
> >
> > Joanna
> >
> >
> > On the morning of May 17, 1990, Patrice Bardot, an unemployed dustman,
> > traveled from his home in the French village of Monteau to the nearby
> > Yonne River for a day of fishing. Not long after he arrived he noticed
> > something floating in the water. Initially, he believed it was a
> > bobbing barrel, but as he drew nearer he was shocked to realize it was
> > a nude human body.
> >
> >
> > Bardot immediately flagged down a woman jogging on a nearby path and
> > alerted her of the gruesome find. The jogger then ran toward a caf?,
> > where the police were called. The authorities soon arrived and
> > conducted what would later be considered a terribly bungled
> > investigation.
> >
> >
> > The police cornered off a small section of land close to where the body
> >
> >
> >
> > was found and began searching for clues. However, investigators ignored
> >
> >
> >
> > a large portion of the surrounding area, most of which had been
> > trampled by police, emergency personnel, onlookers and vehicles.
> > According to an Expatica.com article by Graham Tearse, the secured area
> >
> >
> >
> > was "released to the public just several hours later" and the following
> >
> >
> >
> > day it was further trampled by children on a field trip. Had there been
> >
> >
> >
> > any evidence, it was likely lost from the contamination of the crime
> > scene.
> >
> >
> > The body was withdrawn from the river and taken to a nearby hospital
> > for identification and autopsy. The woman was identified as 20-year-old
> >
> >
> >
> > Joanna Parrish, who was from Gloucestershire, England. Joanna was
> > enrolled in a modern languages work/study program at Leeds University
> > and took a position as an assistant English teacher at a secondary
> > school in the nearby town of Auxerre. She was working on a bachelor's
> > degree in modern languages at Leeds University. At the time of her
> > death she was only one week away from completing her posting.
> >
> >
> > An autopsy revealed that Joanna had been drugged, tied up, raped,
> > beaten and strangled before being dumped into the river. It was
> > suspected that her body had been in the water only several hours prior
> > to it being found. Even though the body was discarded in broad
> > daylight, police were unable to find any witnesses. They believed that
> > whoever murdered Joanna was probably familiar with the area and could
> > have even resided in the immediate vicinity. Yet, police were unable to
> >
> >
> >
> > produce any suspects.
> >
> >
> > According to Tearse, Joanna had a friend named Janet visiting from
> > Canada around the time of her death. Janet claimed that Joanna placed
> > an advertisement in a local newspaper offering English lessons. She
> > planned to use the money to fund a holiday trip with her fianc?e.
> >
> >
> > Investigators learned that a local man responded to Joanna's ad by
> > phone and was interested in hiring her to teach his teenage son. They
> > made arrangements to meet at 7 p.m. on May 16 at the town's square in
> > Auxerre. Tearse suggested that on that day, Janet joined Joanna on her
> > trip into town and they walked around for a while before they separated
> >
> >
> >
> > at about 6:30 pm.
> >
> >
> > Joanna went to meet the man at the town square. It was the last time
> > Janet ever saw her again. Tearse said that Joanna never told Janet the
> > name of the man she was planning to meet.
> >
> >
> > Several weeks after her body was discovered, Joanna was buried in
> > Gloucestershire. Her parents, Roger and Pauline, went to Auxerre and
> > hired a lawyer to assist them in their gaining access to information
> > concerning the case from the magistrate and the police detectives. They
> >
> >
> >
> > wanted to closely follow the investigation, hoping that it would
> > eventually lead to the apprehension of their daughter's murderer. Their
> >
> >
> >
> > expectations were quickly shattered when they realized how inadequately
> >
> >
> >
> > the case was being handled.
> >
> >
> > At the time, Roger and Pauline didn't know that their daughter's murder
> >
> >
> >
> > was not an isolated case. In fact, there were many unsolved murders and
> >
> >
> >
> > disappearances in the Burgundy region, most of which were grossly
> > mismanaged, completely ignored and even discarded. Many suspected that
> > high-level officials were trying to cover-up the fact that Burgundy had
> >
> >
> >
> > an unusually high murder rate for such a tiny province. It was
> > something that could not be hidden for long.
> >
> >
> > Negligence
> >
> >
> > The investigation into Joanna's death was bungled from the beginning.
> > The crime scene was turned into a forensic disaster. Moreover, much of
> > the information gathered during the investigation was kept from
> > Joanna's family, who desperately tried to learn what advances were
> > being made in the case.
> >
> >
> > Tearse suggested that during a British inquest into Joanna's murder,
> > critical evidence was discovered that was ignored or overlooked by
> > French coroners. He claimed that a second autopsy, conducted by the
> > British, revealed several bite marks on Joanna's body. From a forensic
> > standpoint, bite marks are vital clues that can reveal information
> > about the killer because teeth, bite and jaw formations are
> > individually unique and can be easily matched. The revelation shocked
> > Joanna's parents who couldn't comprehend how something so obvious and
> > important could have gone unnoticed.
> >
> >
> > During the autopsy, medical examiners were able to obtain sperm
> > samples. It took two years for the samples to be analyzed, but the
> > results led to a genetic print. The DNA evidence was one of the biggest
> >
> >
> >
> > clues in the investigation and Roger and Pauline hoped that it would
> > lead investigators to the killer. However, they were not so fortunate.
> >
> >
> > Tearse said, "investigators refused to call for voluntary DNA tests of
> > the local male population and continued to refuse to make a media
> > appeal for witnesses." It was another blow to the investigation and a
> > major disappointment for Roger and Pauline. Frustrated at the
> > incompetence of police, Joanna's family decided to take measures into
> > their own hands.
> >
> >
> > They family offered a reward for information into Joanna's death and
> > handed out leaflets in and around Auxerre and Mon?teau. They even
> > appealed to the British government for assistance. Even though they
> > were unsuccessful in getting help from the British government they did
> > manage to get some interesting responses to their leaflets.
> >
> >
> > Several people called offering some information directly concerning
> > Joanna's death. Roger and Pauline eagerly presented the new leads to
> > the French authorities. However, for some unknown reason the
> > investigators failed to pursue the tips.
> >
> >
> > Isabelle Laville, victim
> > Isabelle Laville, victim
> > The family members of other murdered victims in Burgundy responded to
> > the leaflets. Roger and Pauline learned that three other young women,
> > Isabelle Laville, 17, Danielle Bernard, 39, Sylvie Baton, 24, were
> > murdered near or in Auxerre between 1987 and 1990. Their families were
> > angered because they also felt as if the investigators were mishandling
> >
> >
> >
> > the cases of their deceased loved ones.
> >
> >
> > Eventually, Roger and Pauline discovered that there were approximately
> > 13 more unsolved murders and disappearances of women in the Auxerre
> > area over the last 30 years. Interestingly, investigators working on
> > Joanna's case never told them about the spate of murders, two of which
> > occurred within months of their daughter's death.
> >
> >
> > Roger and Pauline tried to obtain Joanna's case files so they could
> > bring in outside help to assist in the investigation. However,
> > investigators continued to deny them access to the documents. Even
> > though it seemed as if they were battling a lost cause, they refused to
> >
> >
> >
> > give up in their search for evidence.
> >
> >
> > Among the 17 girls missing or found murdered were seven pupils from the
> >
> >
> >
> > Medical-Educational Institute, a special needs school for handicapped
> > young women in Auxerre. The girls, 16 to 22 years old, were accounted
> > for in December 2000, when a former bus driver of the school made a
> > startling confession. Emile Louis, 68, admitted to police that he had
> > sex with the seven pupils and then murdered them sometime between 1977
> > and 1979.
> >
> >
> > When the girls first began to disappear, the police interviewed Louis
> > because he was known to have a history of sex offenses. However, they
> > did not pursue him for long and eventually he was disregarded as a
> > potential suspect. Eventually, the cases were dropped and the girls
> > were listed as runaways.
> >
> >
> > Emile Louis, mugshot
> > Emile Louis, mugshot
> > Louis continued to drive female pupils to and from school. It is also
> > believed that he continued to rape and kill them indiscriminately. He
> > would not be looked at as a suspect for almost another two decades.
> >
> >
> > Hugh Schofield's article Mystery of France's Missing Girls suggested
> > that there were similarities between many of the cases. He quoted
> > Corinne Herrmann, a French lawyer and author of the book The
> > Disappeared of the Yonne, stating that the girls were either mentally
> > handicapped, "or like Joanna far from home." Moreover, according to
> > Stuart Jeffries 2000 article for The Observer, witnesses were able to
> > place Louis near the spots where many of the victims were last seen.
> >
> >
> > Scene where bodies found
> > Scene where bodies found
> > Louis was caught almost two decades later when his daughter found items
> >
> >
> >
> > in his house belonging to several of the victims. During his
> > confession, Louis told authorities that he buried the girls near the
> > Yonne River. Only the skeletal remains of two girls were ever
> > recovered.
> >
> >
> > Not long after his admission of guilt, Louis changed his story. He
> > claimed that he was pressured into giving false testimony and that he
> > actually didn't commit the murders. In a January 2002 article in The
> > Guardian by Jon Henley, Louis insisted that "the girls were routinely
> > abused and finally abducted and killed by a nebulous ring of men 'of
> > some standing, locally and in the region." Not surprisingly, Louis'
> > story was met with skepticism by local investigators.
> >
> >
> > Louis could not be charged with the murders anyway because under French
> >
> >
> >
> > law it was considered unlawful to convict anyone of a murder 10 years
> > after a crime was committed. According to Jeffries, Louis was instead
> > "convicted for kidnapping, for which there is no statue of
> > limitations." The authorities believed Louis could have been involved
> > in some of the other murder cases, yet there was not enough evidence to
> >
> >
> >
> > convict him.
> >
> >
> > One thing was for certain: Louis could not have been directly
> > responsible for Joanna's death. At the time of her murder, he was
> > serving a prison sentence for sexually assaulting a minor.
> > Nevertheless, Schofield suggested that a private investigation
> > conducted for 13 years by French police agent Christian Jambert, 56,
> > "clearly established that Louis was linked to all the women." It was
> > believed that he was affiliated with a sex ring operation that
> > prostituted, abused and even murdered many girls in the region,
> > possibly including Joanna.
> >
> >
> > Christian Jambert, victim
> > Christian Jambert, victim
> > Initially the authorities ignored Jambert's theories, but an incident
> > in 1984 led them to reconsider the idea that there was indeed a sex
> > ring in the area. That January, a 19-year-old girl was found wandering
> > the streets of Auxerre in a confused state. When the police picked her
> > up and questioned her she claimed that she was held captive in the
> > basement of a nearby house, where she was sexually abused and tortured.
> >
> >
> >
> > The girl's testimony led the police to the home of Claude and Monique
> > Dunand, known friends of Emile Louis. Stuart said that when they
> > searched the house, they found another girl in the cellar, "naked and
> > suspended from a ladder by her wrists." He further claimed that for
> > approximately 15 years, local handicapped girls were lured to the
> > house, locked up, fed dog food and repeatedly raped and tortured by
> > invited guests. However, there was no indication that any of the girls
> > were murdered.
> >
> >
> > Claude Dunand was eventually convicted of kidnapping and given a life
> > sentence in 1991. His wife Monique received two years for accessory to
> > the crimes. According to Andrew Alderson and Kim Willsher's article 'I
> > Want Justice for Joanna,' Yonne crime reporter Ludovic Berger stated,
> > "Claude Dunand has always said that politicians, industrialists and
> > magistrates were involved but he has refused to name them." The article
> >
> >
> >
> > further suggested that a list of at least 50 clients "rumored to
> > include several French 'notables' who paid to torture and abuse"
> > captive girls was discovered by police and handed over to the Auxerre
> > Courthouse. However, the list mysteriously disappeared from a courtroom
> >
> >
> >
> > and has never been found.
> >
> >
> > It was not the only document that went missing. In fact, there were
> > more than 100 murder and missing person case files from between 1958
> > and 1982 that vanished from the courthouse. Moreover, the court ledger
> > documenting the investigations also vanished. It became increasingly
> > clear that someone was either trying to cover up the crimes or the
> > Auxerre Courthouse had a serious management problem.
> >
> >
> > Christian Jambert was almost certain he knew who was behind Burgundy's
> > rash of murders and missing person cases, and he was convinced that
> > Louis was one of the primary culprits. However, he also believed that
> > Louis was only one of many involved in the crimes. Jambert kept
> > meticulous notes and diaries concerning the cases, along with the
> > evidence he collected over the years. In 1997, he made preparations to
> > present his findings during a new inquiry. Yet, he never got the chance
> >
> >
> >
> > to reveal what he worked so hard to acquire.
> >
> >
> > In August of that year, just several days before the inquiries were
> > scheduled to begin, Jambert was found dead in the basement of his
> > Auxerre home. An autopsy revealed that he died from a single gunshot
> > wound to the head. Medical investigators claimed that Jambert had a
> > history of depression. It was believed that his poor mental state
> > prompted him to end his life. His death was listed as a suicide.
> >
> >
> > By the late 1990s, the mounting scandal in Auxerre gained international
> >
> >
> >
> > attention. People were shocked by the negligence exhibited in the
> > investigations and the fact that more than 100 files, mostly of missing
> >
> >
> >
> > women, had gone missing from Auxerre's Courthouse. According to Harry
> > de Quetteville's January 2002 article in The Telegraph, the scandal was
> >
> >
> >
> > "taken so seriously in Paris that Marylise Lebranchu, the French
> > justice minister, ordered a series of internal investigations."
> > Joanna's murder case was one of those selected for re-examination and
> > it was further linked with the inquiry into the seven girls Louis once
> > claimed to have murdered.
> >
> >
> > Not surprisingly, Joanna's parents welcomed the decision of a new
> > inquiry. They waited more than a decade for her investigation to be
> > reopened. BBC News Online stated that Roger, "was hopeful there would
> > be progress in the investigation and the potential capture of the
> > killer."
> >
> >
> > Investigators working on the case quickly realized that there was a
> > possibility someone tampered with Joanna's murder file. Witness
> > statements, which were obtained at the time of her murder, were missing
> >
> >
> >
> > from her dossier. Moreover, important DNA evidence taken during the
> > autopsy also disappeared from the file for more than a decade before it
> >
> >
> >
> > was found again.
> >
> >
> > During the investigation, it was suggested that Joanne and many of the
> > other girls that were murdered or missing were likely the victims of an
> >
> >
> >
> > organized sex gang operating around Auxerre. Yet, because so many of
> > the facts were missing, there was not enough evidence available to
> > convict anyone.
> >
> >
> > The only exception was the case of the seven missing girls Louis
> > initially claimed to have murdered before retracting his confession.
> > Investigators continued to believe he was involved in their
> > disappearances and murders. A re-examination of his case was ordered,
> > with the hope of uncovering more evidence linking Louis or anyone else
> > to the girls.
> >
> >
> > Seven missing girls, victims
> >
> >
> > Many in the community believed that the murder cases were deliberately
> > ignored and the files stolen or destroyed because they implicated
> > high-level officials. Investigators re-examining the cases determined
> > that it was more likely that gross negligence on behalf of local
> > magistrates was to blame for the mishandling of the cases. In all
> > likelihood, it was probably a combination of both theories that
> > prevented anyone from being apprehended for the crimes.
> >
> >
> > In March 2002, four magistrates from Burgundy faced accusations of
> > gross negligence in the cases of missing and murdered women in their
> > region. The judges included former chief prosecutors Rene Meyer and
> > Jacques Cazals and former deputy prosecutors Daniel Stilinovic and
> > Bertrand Daillie. The men were ordered to appear before a panel of six
> > senior judges, who would review the cases over a three-day period.
> >
> >
> > According to a 2002 article by Susan Bell in The Scotsman, accused
> > magistrate Stilinovic admitted that "there were people who allowed
> > information to be stifled." He was further quoted saying "magistrates
> > tampered with procedures on behalf of people they wanted to protect. It
> >
> >
> >
> > is a conspiracy at the very top." However, he maintained his innocence,
> >
> >
> >
> > suggesting that he did not stifle any of the investigations. His peers
> > thought otherwise.
> >
> >
> > The panel returned a verdict in late March and found Stilinovic guilty
> > of negligence. He received the severest penalty and was dismissed from
> > his position. Cazals was also found guilty and transferred from his
> > prestigious post in Paris. Meyer, who was retired at the time of the
> > inquiry, was stripped of his honorary title after he too was found
> > guilty. Daillie received no punishment.
> >
> >
> > New Evidence
> >
> >
> > In August 2002, investigators found new clues during their inquiry into
> >
> >
> >
> > Joanna's murder. They revealed that recently recovered DNA evidence
> > pointed to two men being involved in the rape and murder of Joanna. The
> >
> >
> >
> > BBC News further stated in their article "Fresh Clues in Joanna Murder
> > Hunt" that new documents were found which indicated that police
> > arrested a suspect in connection with Joanna's murder early in the
> > investigation. Yet, he was released because of lack of evidence.
> >
> >
> > Investigators are continuing to follow up on the new leads, hoping that
> >
> >
> >
> > it might result in the arrest of her killers. However, a great deal of
> > time has passed since her death and the chances of solving the crime
> > have significantly decreased over the years. Regardless, Joanna's
> > family and law enforcement officials re-examining the case have not
> > given up hope.
> >
> >
> > In April 2004, more new evidence arose concerning the suicide of
> > Jambert. According to Alderson and Willsher's article, Corinne Herrmann
> >
> >
> >
> > received access to Jambert's files while she was conducting research
> > into the case of the Burgundy's missing and murdered girls. She became
> > suspicious of his death and believed he might have been murdered. She
> > just had to prove her theory.
> >
> >
> > Herrmann, author of Les Disparues D'Auxerre, convinced Jambert's
> > children to exhume their father's body so that another autopsy could be
> >
> >
> >
> > conducted. After several days of examining the remains, the medical
> > investigators made a startling discovery. Alderson and Willsher claimed
> >
> >
> >
> > that Jambert had been shot not once, but twice in the head making it
> > almost impossible for him to have committed suicide.
> >
> >
> > Herrmann's suspicions were proven correct and she persuaded area
> > magistrates to begin a murder inquiry. It was believed that his murder
> > was directly linked with the investigation on which he was working.
> > Even though investigators interviewed several possible suspects, no one
> >
> >
> >
> > has yet been convicted for the crime.
> >
> >
> > Jambert's case, like Joanna's, is being pursued with more vigor than
> > ever before. Moreover, investigators continue to review the Louis case.
> >
> >
> >
> > They are hoping to put an end to the disappearances and murders that
> > have plagued Burgundy for so many years. Moreover, they hope to restore
> >
> >
> >
> > the reputation of the beautiful, medieval town that has attracted
> > visitors from around the world for centuries.
> >
> >
> > Emile Louis Trial
> >
> >
> > On November 2, 2004, Emile Louis' murder trial finally began in
> > Auxerre, France despite repeated attempts to throw out the case.
> > According to a November 3, 2004 AP Worldstream article, Louis' lawyers
> > requested that the case be delayed until after the European Court of
> > Human Rights ruled "on their bid to dismiss the case" because they
> > believed "the crimes took place too long ago for the case to be legally
> >
> >
> >
> > valid." However, the court rejected the defense request and ordered the
> >
> >
> >
> > resumption of Louis' trial.
> >
> >
> > The 70-year-old retired bus driver, convicted of the murders of seven
> > mentally handicapped women, continued to deny he was responsible for
> > the murders even though he confessed to them years earlier. It is hoped
> >
> >
> >
> > that the trial will finally reveal the truth as to how the girls died.
> > The trial is expected to last four weeks. If convicted, Louis could
> > face life imprisonment.
> >
> >
> > The case is considered one of France's most controversial scandals
> > because the investigation was bungled and many of the case files
> > dealing with the girls' disappearances, as well as other cases of
> > murdered and missing women went missing from the Auxerre Courthouse. It
> >
> >
> >
> > is believed that the files were destroyed in order to cover up a
> > high-level sex ring, which allegedly involved some prominent French
> > officials.
> >
> >
> > Auxerre Courthouse
> >
> >
> > AP Worldstream reported that, "more than 90 witnesses including
> > magistrates, social workers, police officers and family members of the
> > victims are to testify at the trial." Many other family members of the
> > victims are expected to fill the courthouse, in the hopes of seeing
> > Louis brought to justice after escaping prosecution for the murders for
> >
> >
> >
> > approximately twenty-five years. The father of British student Joanna
> > Parrish, who was murdered in Auxerre in 1990, is also expected to be in
> >
> >
> >
> > attendance.
> >
> >
> > Since the onset of the trial there has been an upsurge of media and
> > public interest, which has led to security concerns. Moreover, there is
> >
> >
> >
> > concern for Louis' personal safety and the authorities want to prevent
> > the possibility of someone taking justice into their own hands. In
> > response, safety measures were taken to secure the perimeter around the
> >
> >
> >
> > courthouse, Mie Kohiyama reported for Agence France-Presse. There is no
> >
> >
> >
> > doubt that Louis is considered by many to be one of France's most
> > reviled citizens.
> >
> >
> > Rachael Bell
> >
> >
> > Rachael Bell has completed master's degrees in clinical and health
> > psychology and is currently working on her PhD in the field of
> > psychology. On a part-time basis, she instructs bachelor and master's
> > level courses in psychology. She lives in Europe with her husband and
> > two children.