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Article #1573Re: Dogs Jews Sea Monkeys & Aryan Brothers
From: Robert Urbanek
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 04:50
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You should check first. Zionism is much older than Hitler and Holocaust. Robert "Abraham H. Foxman" <adlmedia@adl.org> wrote in message news:qXZm7.41471$eq3.3779018@amsnews03.chello.com... > > "Baud" <portal_writer@yahoo.fr> wrote in message > news:Xns9115C1B6BB093portalwriteryahoofr@194.134.35.132... > > Many of you have heard of the dog mauling case in San Francisco in which > Marjorie Knoller and her husband Robert Noel, both attorneys, were charged with > manslaughter and Marjorie Knoller with second degree murder in the death of > Diane Whipple. The details have been shocking what with their connections to the > Aryan Brotherhood prison gang. As many are aware the couple adopted an inmate > who is a prominent member of the Aryan Brotherhood as their son and who is > currently incarcerated at the notorious Pelican Bay penitentiary. The dogs were > being bred to raise money for Aryan Brotherhood members behind bars. > > Given these facts it must be even more shocking to all to hear Nedra Ruiz of the > famous Tony Serra law firm who is now representing Marjorie Noller describe her > client as "a nice Jewish girl from Brooklyn" as she did in a bail reduction > hearing on August 31st, 2001. However the shock must dissipate soon as this is a > true statement. Knoller's husband Robert Noel has also converted to his wife's > religion. > > Who else have you heard of who use the word "Aryan" in the title of their > organization? Does the Idaho based "Aryan Nations" ring a bell? Indeed the > "Aryan Nations" are closely connected with the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang. > Many inmates when paroled have turned up over the years at the Aryan Nations > compound before its recent demise. > > So where does the "Aryan nations" get their money? Well this opens yet another > chapter of Kosher monkey shines, more specifically monkeys that swim, known to > you as "Sea Monkeys". The inventer of those "Sea Monkeys" that you and your > friends grew in a jar as children is Harold von Braunhut who for many, many > years has been a major source of money for "Aryan nations". Harold von Braunhut > also happens to be a Jew, a Bar Mitzvahed Jew. This was reported in the Los > Angeles Times by Tamar Brott Sunday Octobar 1st, 2000 and can be found, > purchased, and read online at http://www.latimes.com . For your reading pleasure > and convenience though the article is reproduced below in full. > > Is this surprising to you? Well, it should not be as Jews had many strong > connections to the German Government known to the world as "The Third Reich". > The Jews who had these strong connections were and are known as "Zionists", the > group which founded Israel and continues to rule Israel. It has always been the > focus of Zionists to create a Jewish state, a Jewish Nation within boundaries > like other ethnic nations in Europe. The Third Reich was instrumental in > bringing about the state of Israel. Indeed, without the efforts of Adolf Hitler' > s government Israel would not exist today because Jews would never have gone > there and the money and will of Western governments to back the creation of > Israel to this day would not exist without "The Holocaust". > > The relationship between Nazism and Zionism is a natural one. Both ideologies > think of Jews in an ethnic and nationalistic manner. In fact, Nazi theoretician > Alfred Rosenberg frequently quoted from Zionist writers to prove his thesis that > Jews could not be Germans. > > In his study, The Meaning of Jewish History, Rabbi Jacob Agus provides this > assessment: "In its extreme formulation, political Zionists agreed with > resurgent anti-Semitism in the following propositions: > > 1)That the emancipation of the Jews in Europe was a mistake. > 2)That the Jews can function in the lands of Europe only as a disruptive > influence. > 3)That all Jews of the world were one 'folk' in spite of their diverse political > allegiances. > 4)That all Jews, unlike other peoples of Europe, were unique and unintegratible. > 5)That anti-Semitism was the natural expression of the folk-feeling of European > nations, hence, ineradicable." > > Now points three and four above are absurd to most observers as many Jews are > ethnically and racially like the peoples of Europe where they lived and > interbred for so many years. Anyone knowledgeable about the Jewish population > world wide knows that Jews are quite diverse biologically, just the opposite of > what the Rabbi has stated. Indeed in America there are over 250,000 black Jews, > a significant percentage of the estimated six million population of Jews in > America. The Sephardic Jews are much different than most of the European Jews > who rule Israel and face discrimination and second class status in Israel. > However, facts and beliefs are not always in lock step with one another. Israel > is not founded upon facts but rather upon a vision, a Zionist vision. > > Nazi theoretician Rosenberg, who was executed as a result of his conviction for > war crimes at the Nuremberg trials, declared under direct examination: "I > studied Jewish literature and historians themselves. It seemed to me after an > epoch of generous emancipation in the course of national movements of the 19th > century, an important part of the Jewish nation found its way back to its own > tradition and nature, and more and more consciously segregated itself from other > nations. It was a problem which was discussed at many international congresses, > and Buber, in particular, one of the spiritual leaders of European Jewry, > declared that the Jews should return to the soil of Asia, for only there could > the roots of Jewish blood and Jewish national character be found." > > The Ashkenazi Jews who are often referred to as "European" did originally come > from Asia. They were a Turkic people who converted to Judism before spreading > out across Russia and Europe many centuries ago. Over time though Jews have > intermarried with Europeans to the point that many if not most are > indistinguishable from other Europeans. This is why so many Jews have no strong > feelings for Israel as a place to live and refuse to consider moving there > permanently and becoming an Israeli. Of course there are ways to change how > someone feels about such things. > > In a review of the book In Memory's Kitchen: A Legacy From The Women of Terezen, > Lore Dickstein, writing in The New York Times Book Review, notes that, "Anny > Stern was one of the lucky ones. In 1939, after months of hassle with the Nazi > bureaucracy, the occupying German army at her heels, she fled Czechoslovakia > with her young son and emigrated to Palestine. At the time of Anny's departure, > Nazi policy encouraged emigration. 'Are you a Zionist?' Adolph Eichmann, > Hitler's specialist on Jewish affairs, asked her. 'Ja wohl,' she replied. > 'Good,' he said, 'I am a Zionist too. I want every Jew to leave for Palestine.'" > > Zionists have repeatedly stressed--and continue to do so--that, from their > viewpoint, Jews are in "exile" outside of the "Jewish state." Jacob Klatzkin, a > leading Zionist writer, declared: "We are simply aliens, we are foreign people > in your midst, and we emphasize, we wish to stay that way." And with a push from > a bayonet most Jews can be made to feel an affinity for Zionism and for becoming > an Israeli. > > Of course six million Jews will not be enough to populate Israel and make it a > going enterprise. This is where the hard bargaining will be. Bargaining and deal > making with an elite group of Aryan's in America. The government of Germany > under Adolf Hitler was willing to declare anyone with a Jewish grandparent to be > a Jew. We believe that we can strike a much better deal with those in America, > perhaps those who have a great, great grandparent who is Jewish and anyone who > has a maternal line going back to 1/32 would be considered a Jew. Now we may not > want all of these "Jews" but it will be our choice as to who to accept just as > it was our choice as to who went to Palestine in 1942-1945 and who went to > Auschwitz. > > Last year our news magazine on the CBS television network "60 Minutes" had a > story on our little DNA trick for determining who is a Jew. By swabbing the > inside of the mouth of anyone we can decide if that individual has been > descended from our Judaic priests going back thousands of years. This will help > us to cull from the European nations several million of above average ability to > strengthen our ruling class in Israel as compensation for "The Holocaust" as > well as gathering large numbers in America. > > Where today the Jewish population of Israel is less in number than the Jews of > North America, twenty years hence it will be more than 30million strong with as > always an emphasis on the word "strong". > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > -------------------- > Sunday, October 1, 2000 | Print this story > > > The Sea Monkeys and the White Supremacist > Do Those Little Brine Shrimp Marketed as Kids' Toys Have a Connection to the > Aryan Nations? > > > By TAMAR BROTT > > > > APART FROM THE FACT THAT THEY CAN HATCH WITHIN MINUTES AFTER contact with > water, brine shrimp are unappealing creatures. They're ant-sized and translucent > and bear a striking resemblance to sperm. Yet brine shrimp packaged as "Sea > Monkeys" are currently sold as children's companions, and portrayed on their > boxes as pink, pear-shaped simian creatures with spindly legs, paunches and coy > smiles. They are one of the most impressive achievements in the annals of > marketing. > Harold von Braunhut, a former manager of novelty acts, first packaged his > patented hybrids in 1960, transforming the Sea Monkeys into American icons via > millions of comic book ads. Von Braunhut also wrote the 32-page handbook that is > included in most Sea Monkey kits to this day, which states that the creatures > can be hypnotized, play baseball and rise from the dead. The tone of the > handbook is florid and huckstery: "It seems that at mating time in the Animal > Kingdom, the males engage in combat to win the fin, paw, flipper, hoof, wing or > what-have-you, of their 'lady love.' " > In 1999, the Sea Monkeys were in line for an overhaul: The freeze-dried > creatures were, and still are, licensed to Educational Insights Inc., a > Carson-based company whose ExploraToy division handles production development > and sales of the Sea Monkeys. According to then-art director Gregory Bevington, > the classic '70s naked monkeys lounging on a seaweed bank in front of a castle > are too "lame" for today's children. Hoping that a new look and some > razzle-dazzle would parlay Sea Monkeys from an undisclosed-but-"significant" > portion of their $40 million in annual sales to a $25-million-a-year line, > Educational Insights brought in Alan Fine, who spent the majority of his adult > life in Mattel's marketing department. > "I have a lot of background on what is attractive to kids, what works and > what doesn't work," said Fine, who is no longer with the company. Before leaving > in August, Fine helped wage a multimillion-dollar media blitz in honor of the > Sea Monkeys' 40th anniversary. Five new products were being unveiled, including > a Sea Monkeys speedway and an LCD watch that houses up to two Sea Monkeys for up > to 24 hours. But the linchpin of Fine's campaign was a brand new television > commercial featuring greatly altered Sea Monkeys, which has yet to air. > Months before I saw this commercial, I drove down to Educational Insights, > hoping to see the new Sea Monkeys. Having hatched more than my share as a child, > I was curious about the kind of concessions needed to entice the Game Boy-loving > children of today. I had no idea this would turn into a story about a white > supremacist inventor and the nice men who were marketing his invention to > children. > > > * * * > ANTICIPATING MY ARRIVAL, BEVINGTON SET UP A PICTORIAL history of Sea Monkey > packages on a conference-room table at ExploraToy. On one side were classic ads > featuring the nuclear Sea Monkey family, virtually unchanged since the '70s. > "There's a dad, the mom and a couple kids," Bevington explained in a droll > voice. "The mom has a little flip hairdo, and, basically, they look like naked > people with webbed tails and feet and hands and three prongs sticking out of > their heads. They have potbellies and skinny arms and legs so they're not really > physically fit." > On the other side of the table, Bevington arranged artists' submissions for > the updated Sea Monkeys. A radical departure from their sweet, potbellied > predecessors, the new models had enormous torsos and tree-trunk legs. Some wore > scaly breast plates; others sported capes. "If we really want them to appeal to > kids of today, they need to look like superheroes or action figures," Bevington > said. > Any decision regarding the appearance of the Sea Monkeys must be vetted by > Harold von Braunhut. The 75-year-old inventor currently lives on a nature > preserve in Bryans Road, Md., and drives a red Corvette. "Harold," as he is > known at Educational Insights, is notoriously protective of his patented Sea > Monkeys. ExploraToy Vice President George C. Atamian says Von Braunhut once > refused to do business with a company desiring to make Sea Monkey refrigerator > magnets after he discovered risque magnets in its catalog. > Atamian, a round-faced scientist, met Von Braunhut via phone in 1990, when > he called to congratulate Atamian on an underwater microscope he'd invented. A > few days later, some Sea Monkeys arrived in the mail. Atamian didn't know what > they were. "When people were reading comic books, I was in the Marine Corps," he > says. When he opened the boxes, he thought they were junk. But Atamian > eventually came around, and in 1995, he brought Von Braunhut to ExploraToy. > The two men talk Sea Monkeys "every day, every night and every weekend," > and Atamian has become a great receptacle of Von Braunhut lore, which he imparts > at lightning speed. "As far as I'm concerned, he's an absolute legend. He's got > 193 patents and he invented X-Ray Spex [another huge success, advertised in the > back pages of comic books], which is a phenomenal thing. He's a master of > marketing and a great word crafter and he's done all kinds of strange stuff. He > used to race cars and motorcycles. And he used to manage a mentalist called the > Great Dunninger, who he says put Uri Geller and all the other mentalists to > shame." > But Atamian says it is Von Braunhut's scientific achievement that impresses > him most of all. "Sea Monkeys, as you know, are hybrid brine shrimp eggs that > are immersed in a medium that nobody's been able to knock off," he says. The Sea > Monkey eggs remain in a sort of suspended animation until they are poured into > water that's been mixed with this top-secret formula, whereupon they hatch. > "There's something in the powder [Harold] formulates that does something to > those eggs that nature can't do," Atamian says. Von Braunhut and his wife, > Yolanda, are said to be the only two people who know the formula, with which Von > Braunhut is constantly tinkering. "It used to be [that] only one Sea Monkey > lived and that [same] one died. Now the formulation of the chemistry, the vigor > of the Sea Monkeys themselves, is better than ever," rhapsodizes Atamian. > I ask Atamian for Von Braunhut's unlisted number. Atamian says he would > prefer that I not speak to Harold. Each time I ask, Atamian puts me off with a > series of excuses, ranging from Von Braunhut's reclusiveness to his poor > health--a few years ago Harold fell off a balcony, then his "gallbladder > exploded." Atamian also mentions that whenever Von Braunhut gives interviews, > there's "fallout." Curious as to what this "fallout" could be, I do a database > search on Harold von Braunhut. > > * * * > AMONG VON BRAUNHUT'S MANY INVENTIONS, WHICH RANGE FROM bulletproof garb to > an insect observation kit, is a pen-sized weapon called the Kiyoga Agent M5, > which telescopes into a metal whip at a flick of the wrist. The M5 caused an > uproar in 1988 after it was revealed, in a fund-raising letter for the Aryan > Nations, that a portion of the sales proceeds was going to Richard Butler, > founder and leader of the organization. (This is the same Richard Butler who, > along with the Aryan Nations, was recently found negligent and ordered to pay > $5.1 million after two security guards assaulted a mother and son outside the > Nations compound in Idaho in 1998.) Butler was on trial for sedition and needed > help with his legal bills. Shortly after the M5 story broke, the Washington Post > ran a lengthy article about Von Braunhut, revealing his involvement with "some > of the most extreme racist and anti-Semitic organizations in the country." The > article quoted an official with the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith as > saying: "He has a reputation of being a generous contributor." Von Braunhut has > vehemently denied the accusations in various news reports. Yet in a 1988 > interview with the Seattle Times, he referred to the "inscrutable, slanty Korean > eyes" of Korean shop owners and was quoted as saying, "You know what side I'm > on. I don't make any bones about it." > At my request, the ADL, which has tracked Von Braunhut for years, sends me > a rather hefty package. In it is a picture of the inventor, who resembles Lenny > Bruce, posing in a priest's collar in front of a Nazi flag. News clippings track > his frequent attendance at the Aryan Nations Congresses held every July in > Hayden Lake, Idaho, where he appeared as recently as 1995--sometimes as a > featured speaker, sometimes as the lighter of the burning cross. And there are > newsletters from an organization called the National Anti-Zionist Institute, > headed by "Hendrik von Braun," whose return address, P.O. Box 809, Bryans Road, > Md., is the same place one sends away for Sea Monkey paraphernalia such as > baseball kits. > Floyd Cochran, spokesman for the Aryan Nations until 1992 and a reformed > racist, recalls Von Braunhut as a slight, balding man with "a rather large nose > for a person of the Aryan Nations." He says Von Braunhut was something of a > misfit. "He'd give long speeches about numerology and he'd make references to > the pyramids," Cochran says. "It just didn't play very well." > If Von Braunhut is underwhelming in public, the Anti-Zionist newsletters > written by Hendrik von Braun are quite lively. "In the world of jewels and > precious metals, only that which is pure, rare and unalloyed is of the highest > value," begins a newsletter dated 1993. For a full two pages, readers are urged > to unite against "wogs" and "mud people," even if it means giving up their own > lives. "No one (except for Jesus Christ Himself) has ever managed to live > forever," Von Braun writes. "Even if you could, what a bore it would be to hang > around for a few hundred years, not doing much of anything except watching the > niggers make basketballs and sneakers out of Jew skins." > As it turns out, Von Braunhut is Jewish. According to the 1988 Washington > Post article, he was born to Jeannette Cohen and Edward Braunhut in New York > City on March 31, 1926, as Harold Nathan Braunhut. A cousin was quoted in the > Post as saying he "probably" attended Von Braunhut's bar mitzvah. Gail Gans, > director of the Civil Rights Information Center of the ADL, says Von Braunhut > may have been allowed to remain in the Aryan Nations even after the startling > revelation partly because he is wealthy. "If he'd been a practicing Jew or they > thought he was informing, then surely he'd have been kicked out," she says--and > Cochran, who lectures for the ADL, concurs. He says rumors about Von Braunhut's > ethnicity had been circulating for years and that members of the Aryan Nations > were "disappointed" when the Post article appeared with its reference to a bar > mitzvah, but that Richard Butler liked Von Braunhut's money. Cochran does not > know the extent of Von Braunhut's contributions to the Aryan Nations, but says > the organization called upon him often. > When the Von Braunhut headlines appeared in 1988, New Jersey-based Larami > Limited held the Sea Monkeys license. Atamian says Von Braunhut took the > company's license away because Larami had neglected Sea Monkeys after the > enormous success of their Super Soaker water gun. But Al Davis, executive vice > president of Larami, tells a different story. He says that he received a flurry > of phone calls from retailers, wholesalers and distributors concerned that Sea > Monkey dollars were going to unsavory places. "When I called Harold on this," > Davis says, "he said something to me I find hard to believe to this day. 'Al,' > he said. 'Hitler wasn't a bad guy. He just received bad press.' " > In 1994, Von Braunhut found another licensee, Basic Fun, a > Philadelphia-based company that specializes in novelty key chains, to market Sea > Monkeys. Alan Dorfman, president of Basic Fun, says Von Braunhut assured him > that the allegations were false and that the bad press had been generated by an > enemy with whom he was involved in a property dispute. But less than a year > later, Dorfman, who is Jewish, severed his relationship with Von Braunhut after > the New York Times identified Von Braunhut as a featured speaker at the July > 1995 Aryan Nations Congress. It was there that Butler called Jews "the bacillus > of the decomposition of our society." > While Basic Fun was in the process of severing its contract, Dorfman says > he was approached by Educational Insights, which wanted to take over the Sea > Monkeys license. Dorfman says that the company, whose founder and chairman, Burt > Cutler, is Jewish, was aware of Von Braunhut's past. "We knew through the turn > and content of the conversation that they knew what they were getting into," > Dorfman says. "We wished them luck and that was the extent of it." > > * * * > NINE MONTHS AFTER MY FIRST visit to ExploraToy, I drive to Carson again, > this time to view the new TV commercial featuring the revamped Sea > Monkeys--which are no longer naked. "Having been involved in the marketing to > kids," Fine said in one of our initial interviews, "you don't want to introduce > that as an area of controversy." > The specter of Sea Monkey dollars funding hate groups seems to be less > controversial. When I broach the topic with Fine and Atamian, Atamian confirms > that all of the higher-ups at Educational Insights know about Von Braunhut's > past. He says that everyone in the toy industry knows about him, that people had > sent them the articles, but that the Sea Monkeys shouldn't be tainted by their > inventor. "Is this any different than the U.S. government having normal > relations with Germany three, four, five, six years after World War II?" Atamian > asks. "We're doing business with him on a business basis with a wonderful > product called Sea Monkeys, and we don't see where it's relevant. I've never > seen evidence of his alleged past behavior." > Says Fine: "This has absolutely nothing to do with Harold as a person. It's > more to do with who Sea Monkeys are and what they can mean in terms of fun and > fantasy for kids and adults of all ages." > Cutler agrees. "Do you listen to Wagner? The Israelis wouldn't listen to > his music for all those years. But now they do." > Prior to signing their contract, Atamian says he warned Von Braunhut that > he'd heard the allegations, and that if Educational Insights saw any evidence > that they were true, Atamian would sever the deal. But Atamian never asked if > the allegations were true. It seems no one at Educational Insights has ever > confronted Von Braunhut about his past--not even to inquire about the > possibility of Sea Monkey profits going to white-supremacist hate groups. "I > certainly don't want to confront him with something like that," says Fine. > I leave Atamian and Fine with copies of the National Anti-Zionist > newsletter, and they promise to confront Von Braunhut once and for all and ask > if he's funneling money to hate groups. Then they'll get back to me. In the > meantime, I track down Von Braunhut's number and call him myself. > Harold von Braunhut is almost deaf, but loquacious, and his voice is > high-pitched. He says he knows nothing about ExploraToy's desire to clothe Sea > Monkeys, and as far as he knows, they will remain naked until "fish wear pants." > Then he launches into a story about the Wham-O Instant Fish debacle of the early > 1960s, a seminal event in the marketing of Sea Monkeys. "Wham-O was flying > higher than a kite with the Superball and the Hula Hoop, and they took a risk on > an instant fish. But the fish didn't work. The buyer at Sears, Roebuck almost > got fired because of it. So when I took my Sea Monkeys around after that, you'd > think another Ice Age had happened. The doors that weren't open to begin with > slammed shut in my face. So I went to comic books. I did 303 million pages of > advertising per year." > When I ask Harold about his past, he becomes furious. He tells me the news > reports are lies. He doesn't take the opportunity to set the record straight, > though. "I don't have to defend myself to you or anyone else. I'm hanging up." > A few days later, Atamian calls to say he has good news. He's faxed Von > Braunhut a copy of the Anti-Zionist newsletter written by Hendrik von Braun, and > Von Braunhut has faxed him a note categorically denying that he'd written it or > that he is involved in any such groups. I ask Atamian if he believes Von > Braunhut. "All I know is I have to believe him," Atamian tells me. "Or else how > could I live with myself?" He promises to fax me a copy of Von Braunhut's letter > when he can. "The fax machine's out of paper now," he says. > The fax never comes. Later that day, Fine calls. When we had parted a few > days earlier, he'd seemed rattled. As a Jew, Fine had said, he would have to > walk away from Sea Monkeys if it turned out monies were being diverted to > anti-Semitic causes. But he's extremely relieved when he calls, telling me that > Harold has enemies who wish to see him caught in a vice. > "Then you believe him?" I ask. Fine pauses a moment. "There's one thing > that makes me feel he didn't," he says. "Harold's a great writer. I mean he's > very articulate and he prides himself on writing great copy. And that thing you > sent me--it's really poorly written." > > * * * > IN DECEMBER 1995, ONE MONTH AFTER SIGNING ON WITH Educational Insights, Von > Braunhut officiated at the funeral of Betty Butler, Richard Butler's wife. Since > then, Harold von Braunhut hasn't been seen by either the Anti-Defamation League > or the Southern Poverty Law Center, both of which have tracked him for years. > "Once you get past a certain age," Floyd Cochran says, "running around the > bushes playing paramilitary games doesn't happen. That's true of a lot of things > in life." > And if Sea Monkey dollars have been going to hate groups? Cutler says he'll > increase his donations to Morris Dees, co-founder of the Southern Poverty Law > Center. "I'm a major contributor to the center," he adds. > If Von Braunhut's past isn't relevant to Sea Monkey sales, ExploraToy's new > TV commercial certainly may be. In it, the Sea Monkeys are dressed like rock > stars and sing songs that Von Braunhut clearly did not write. > "Pour us into water," they wail. "You won't believe your eyes. We eat. We > grow. We race. We're into outer space. We're wet and we're wild. 'Cause you make > us come alive." The new Sea Monkey lyrics and attire are startling, but the > unexpected cutaways to live brine shrimp are even more so. They're hideous > creatures. Magnified thousands of times, they look like blind white centipedes, > and each time they fill the screen, it is a new decimation of fancy, an > annihilation of 40 years of Harold's own brand of huckstery Americana. > Educational Insights has returned to the Sea Monkeys' retro-'70s image for > packaging. Harold's vision is intact, at least for now. > > > > >
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1130cb,d8d367b5862e3a89 X-Google-Attributes: gid1130cb,public X-Google-Thread: f4c7b,d8d367b5862e3a89 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4c7b,public X-Google-Thread: 115c75,d8d367b5862e3a89 X-Google-Attributes: gid115c75,public X-Google-Thread: 107a4d,d8d367b5862e3a89 X-Google-Attributes: gid107a4d,public X-Google-Thread: 10fd11,d8d367b5862e3a89 X-Google-Attributes: gid10fd11,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-09-14 21:54:37 PST Reply-To: "Robert Urbanek" <ikontakt@hotmail.com> From: "Robert Urbanek" <ikontakt@hotmail.com> References: <qXZm7.41471$eq3.3779018@amsnews03.chello.com> Subject: Re: Dogs Jews Sea Monkeys & Aryan Brothers Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:50:33 -0400 Lines: 689 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: <#9XGiIaPBHA.1880@cpimsnntpa03> Newsgroups: ne.general,alt.support.schizophrenia,alt.sports.baseball.ny-yankees,aus.music,alt.support.ocd NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust184.tnt1.brockton.ma.da.uu.net 63.21.164.184 Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!novia!novia!netnews.com!nntp.abs.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed.news.msn.com!cpimsnntpa03.news.msn.com