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In ba.general Disgruntled Customer <nowhere@nowhow.com> wrote:
> Merlin Dorfman <dorfman@green.rahul.net> enscribed:
>> In ba.general Curtis Smallboner <curtis_smallboner@beer.com> wrote:
>> > Palestinian human shields give Israel pause By Joshua Mitnick
>> > Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor-TEL AVIV
>> > [ http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1120/p01s02-wome.html ]
>> 
>> > In perhaps the most effective act of nonviolent protest in the six-year
>> > Palestinian uprising, hundreds of Gazans forced Israel over the weekend
>> > to
>> 
>> > call off airstrikes on the residence of a militant leader by swarming
>> > the
>> > house as human shields.
>> 
>>      If the Palestinians resort to civil disobedience and passive
>> resistance, they will have a state within a couple of years.  The

> Been there. Done that. Got squat.
> Civil disobedience presumes your opponent has a sense of shame.

     Civil disobedience doesn't mean once or twice, it means a
continued campaign.  King and Gandhi knew that.  Can you cite a
campaign by the Palestinians, rather than just one or two isolated
incidents?
     The Jews are soft touches.  Much softer than the British Raj
in India or Sheriff Clark or Governor Wallace in Alabama.

>>      Additionally, it's not clear that getting a Palestinian state,
>> alongside Israel, really represents the wishes of most Palestinians.
>> It certainly doesn't represent the wishes of Hezbollah, Iran, and
>> Syria, who sponsor Hamas and other terrorist groups.  And no amount
>> of civil disobedience will lead Israel to just disappear.

> When you think about it a little, the American support of Contras in Nicaragua or warlords in Afghanistan against the Taliban make America a state sponsor of terrorism and insurgency against a foreign government. The exact same things the U.S. gets so upset with Syria and Iran over.

     After the invasion of Iraq, Abu Ghraib, etc., the US has very
little moral authority in the world.