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In ba.general Jeffrey Turner <jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
> Merlin Dorfman wrote:

>> In ba.general Jeffrey Turner <jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>Suburbanaristic wrote:
>>>
>>>> Disgruntled Customer <nowhere@nowhow.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Suburbanaristic <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> enscribed:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I wonder if those Palis ever considered doing something other than 
>>>>>>sitting around all day hating the Jew.
>>>>>
>>>>>They figured out how to run democratic elections. Unlike American allies like 
>>>>>Jordan, Egypt, and Saudi-Arabia. Maybe that's why the U.S. is trying to ruin 
>>>>>them, like Iran and Lebanon.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>They're doing a bang-up job with that democracy aren't they? Literally.
>> 
>> 
>>>Considering Israel, backed by the U.S. and EU, is trying to strangle the
>>>Palestinians because they didn't like the choice made in democratic
>>>elections.
>> 
>> 
>>      Apparently "strangle" = fail to send them money.  Why should we
>> pay them to further their declared aim to destroy our ally?  Let those
>> who say they support the Hamas aims send money--Iran, Syria, etc.

> They tried.  Israel has stopped people at the border with cash.  Try
> finding some real news sometime and not the propaganda pabalum you've
> been watching.

     Iran has sent them money.  Nobody else seems to be very
interested in trying very hard.  I wonder why.  Could it be because
they like having poor, pitiful Palestinian refugees to distract
from their real problems at home?

>>>>Palestinians kill as many of each other as anyone else does, but of 
>>>>course it's *not their fault*.
>>> 
>>>Because the Israelis have set up a Palestinian "Zoo" where they are
>>>trying to destroy them slowly and not so slowly.
>> 
>>      No need for Israel to destroy them.  They are doing a superb
>> job of that all by themselves.  All Israel wants to do is to keep
>> them from killing and kidnapping Israelis while they are at it.

> Yes, just keep them locked in the concentration camp and eventually,
> no problem.  It's quite a final solution.  No wonder you keep getting
> bombed.

     As above...a sustained campaign of civil disobedience would
bring them an independent state within a couple of years at the
most, but (1) it's not in their DNA to respond to a real or
perceived offense with anything but violence, and (2) many/most
aren't interested in a state alongside Israel but only in the
destruction of Israel and the occupation of the entire 
territory.

>>      The Palestinian govt. was making some progress towards
>> economic survival while they were willing to tolerate the existence
>> of Israel.  When they started the second intifada in 2000, of course
>> Israel could no longer maintain economic cooperation, and when Hamas
>> was elected in 2006 with the declared aim of destroying Israel, of
>> course the West could no longer continue the hundreds of millions
>> annually (most of which had gone into the pockets of Arafat and his
>> supporters).

> All you can keep doing is hundreds of millions of lies.

     I.e., no response to the above paragraph.