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Merlin Dorfman wrote:
> In ba.general Jeffrey Turner <jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
> 
>>Merlin Dorfman wrote:
> 
> 
>>>In ba.general Jeffrey Turner <jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Suburbanaristic wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Disgruntled Customer <nowhere@nowhow.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Suburbanaristic <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> enscribed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I wonder if those Palis ever considered doing something other than 
>>>>>>>sitting around all day hating the Jew.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They figured out how to run democratic elections. Unlike American allies like 
>>>>>>Jordan, Egypt, and Saudi-Arabia. Maybe that's why the U.S. is trying to ruin 
>>>>>>them, like Iran and Lebanon.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>They're doing a bang-up job with that democracy aren't they? Literally.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Considering Israel, backed by the U.S. and EU, is trying to strangle the
>>>>Palestinians because they didn't like the choice made in democratic
>>>>elections.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Apparently "strangle" = fail to send them money.  Why should we
>>>pay them to further their declared aim to destroy our ally?  Let those
>>>who say they support the Hamas aims send money--Iran, Syria, etc.
>> 
>>They tried.  Israel has stopped people at the border with cash.  Try
>>finding some real news sometime and not the propaganda pabalum you've
>>been watching.
> 
>      Iran has sent them money.  Nobody else seems to be very
> interested in trying very hard.  I wonder why.  Could it be because
> they like having poor, pitiful Palestinian refugees to distract
> from their real problems at home?

I don't know.  Why can't apologists for Israel ever stay on topic?

>>>>>Palestinians kill as many of each other as anyone else does, but of 
>>>>>course it's *not their fault*.
>>>>
>>>>Because the Israelis have set up a Palestinian "Zoo" where they are
>>>>trying to destroy them slowly and not so slowly.
>>>
>>>     No need for Israel to destroy them.  They are doing a superb
>>>job of that all by themselves.  All Israel wants to do is to keep
>>>them from killing and kidnapping Israelis while they are at it.
>> 
>>Yes, just keep them locked in the concentration camp and eventually,
>>no problem.  It's quite a final solution.  No wonder you keep getting
>>bombed.
> 
>      As above...a sustained campaign of civil disobedience would
> bring them an independent state within a couple of years at the
> most, but (1) it's not in their DNA to respond to a real or
> perceived offense with anything but violence, and (2) many/most
> aren't interested in a state alongside Israel but only in the
> destruction of Israel and the occupation of the entire 
> territory.

How do you know, Israel has never negotiated in good faith.

>>>     The Palestinian govt. was making some progress towards
>>>economic survival while they were willing to tolerate the existence
>>>of Israel.  When they started the second intifada in 2000, of course
>>>Israel could no longer maintain economic cooperation, and when Hamas
>>>was elected in 2006 with the declared aim of destroying Israel, of
>>>course the West could no longer continue the hundreds of millions
>>>annually (most of which had gone into the pockets of Arafat and his
>>>supporters).
>> 
>>All you can keep doing is hundreds of millions of lies.
> 
>      I.e., no response to the above paragraph.

Because it's gobbledy-gook.  Israel was stealing Palestinian land and
water even before the second intifada.

--Jeff

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War cannot be humanized. It can only be abolished.
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