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Merlin Dorfman <dorfman@green.rahul.net> enscribed:

>      The topic is why failing to send Hamas money constitutes
> strangling them.  Self-sufficiency isn't in their vocabulary.

Are you naturally stupid or did it takes years of arduous effort? (rahul.net is good indicator.) Israel is blockading Palestine, preventing normal trade including cash donations. Israel prevents Palestine from becoming self sufficient. Israel prevents them from opening their airport. Israel was  blocking the formation of a self-sufficient Palestine before the last election. And it's not money for Hamas, it's money for the Palestinian government. It also includes money that belongs to Palestine, that Israel agrees belongs to Palestine, that Israel is stealing.

Also the elected Palestinian government had taken no action against Israel. Israel and U.S are trying the overthrow the elected government simply because Palestinians had the nerve elected the wrong people.

> And their supposed supporters, with the possible exception of
> Iran, aren't trying very hard to get the money to them.
>      FWIW, I disagree with Israel not allowing Arabs/Muslims to

Disagree? You didn't even notice it until you were told. Repeatedly. You don't have the facts. You're willing to put a country to sword and fire and you don't even have the facts. How....American.

> send money to Hamas.  That is among the best uses of the oil
> money, assuming it's not going to be used to better the lot of
> the average resident of the oil-rich countries.

>      The Oslo Agreements were negotiated in good faith, and
> followed by Israel, never by the PA, e.g., the PA promised to

Actually things were moving along until Israelis murdered their own prime minister and elected a Likud government. The same people how were dedicated to the Greater Israel (which means seizing all Palestinian land and ethnically cleansing it of Christians and Moslems). They murdered Palestinians that got in their way and destroyed the power of the Palestinians' chosen leader; they then blamed Arafat for not controlling Palestinian while assholes like you cheered them on, ignoring that they were responsible for Arafat's impotence.

> end anti-Israel and anti-semitic propaganda in their schools
> and radio/TV which they never did.  Eventually Israel got tired

You need to escape American commercial TV and see what Israelis really say about Palestinians.

> of being the only party keeping the agreement so they quit as
> well.
>      The 2000 Camp David negotiations were carried out in good
> faith, certainly by Israel and probably by Arafat as well.
> Arafat turned down a really good offer for complete peace
> because he thought he could do better.  He was wrong.  Too bad,
> it will be a long time, if ever, before the opportunity for
> that good a deal for both sides occurs again.

Which offer? All the ones I've seen involved Arafat agreeing to break up the West Bank into segregated ghettoes that would be little more than slave labor concentration camp. I realize it does not make it on Fox News for you, but some of Eretz Yisrael supporters have been explicit to this intent. Why don't you comment on this?

>      BTW, what would be the motivation for Israel not
> negotiating in good faith, i.e., to put on the appearance of
> seeking a peaceful solution but not really wanting one?  Do
> they like the current situation of continuous war?  Why

Likud was not part of those negotiations.

> wouldn't they want a peaceful resolution on acceptable terms?
> There are very few now who don't realize that Israel can't have
> all three of a democracy, a Jewish state, and control of the
> whole area, and the last is the one that they are willing to
> give up.  

They've already sacrificed democracy.

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Feh. Mad as heck.