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In ba.general Rich Corinthian Leather <inexplicable@mysterious.net> wrote:
> Merlin Dorfman wrote:
>> In ba.general Disgruntled Customer <nowhere@nowhow.com> wrote:
>> ...
>> 
>>>  ...you're busy cheering on the U.S. (directly or through proxies like Israel) dealng with those Arabs you claim are inherently violent, and you don't notice the crimes committed in your name. 
>> 
>>      You seem to believe the US, and probably Israel, are inherently
>> violent.  What does that make you?
>> 
> In the case of the US: genocidal wars against the native populations, 
> wars of aggression against Spain and Viet Nam, and Iraq; gunboat 
> diplomacy against Columbia to sever Panama from their control and build 
> the Panama Canal; numerous interventions around the world when countries 
> didn't choose the "right" politician or course of action: Chile (1972), 
> Iran (1954), Haiti and Nicaragua numerous times last century.

> In the case of Israel: it's initial and ongoing genocide of the 
> Palestinians before and after 1948. Do some research on the Stern Gang 
> and Irgun, two Jewish terrorists groups.

     I asked, "what does that make you?" not "give some examples."
The point is that if you believe that kind of behavior is in the DNA
of Americans or Israelis (or Jews), you are what you accuse me of
being.
     And I am all too aware of the Indian wars, the implementation
of the Monroe Doctrine, and Jewish terrorism in Palestine before
Israel became a state.  However the use of the word "genocide" to
describe Israeli behavior then or now is itself an atrocity.  There
is no attempt to exterminate a race or ethnic group...for that,
today, you should look to Iran (for stated intentions, lacking the
capability for action today) among others.  If you use the word
"genocide" to describe any conflict or war between different
ethnic groups, you cheapen the word beyond recognition.  
     In that part of the world, you can certainly find Israelis who
envision the Palestinians being a subject people in Israeli-
controlled land indefinitely.  This is evil but it is not genocide.
On the other hand you can find Palestinians--who have power and
influence, indeed they are the government--who have expressed
the intent to kill or expel all Jews from the Middle East.  That,
sir, would be genocide.