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Merlin Dorfman wrote:
> In ba.general Rich Corinthian Leather <inexplicable@mysterious.net> wrote:
>> Merlin Dorfman wrote:
>>> In ba.general Disgruntled Customer <nowhere@nowhow.com> wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>  ...you're busy cheering on the U.S. (directly or through proxies like Israel) dealng with those Arabs you claim are inherently violent, and you don't notice the crimes committed in your name. 
>>>      You seem to believe the US, and probably Israel, are inherently
>>> violent.  What does that make you?
>>>
>> In the case of the US: genocidal wars against the native populations, 
>> wars of aggression against Spain and Viet Nam, and Iraq; gunboat 
>> diplomacy against Columbia to sever Panama from their control and build 
>> the Panama Canal; numerous interventions around the world when countries 
>> didn't choose the "right" politician or course of action: Chile (1972), 
>> Iran (1954), Haiti and Nicaragua numerous times last century.
> 
>> In the case of Israel: it's initial and ongoing genocide of the 
>> Palestinians before and after 1948. Do some research on the Stern Gang 
>> and Irgun, two Jewish terrorists groups.
> 
>      I asked, "what does that make you?" not "give some examples."
> The point is that if you believe that kind of behavior is in the DNA
> of Americans or Israelis (or Jews), you are what you accuse me of
> being.

I don't think that violence is *per se* encoded in DNA, but that's 
another topic. I haven't accused you directly or indirectly of anything.

>      And I am all too aware of the Indian wars, the implementation
> of the Monroe Doctrine, and Jewish terrorism in Palestine before
> Israel became a state.  However the use of the word "genocide" to
> describe Israeli behavior then or now is itself an atrocity.  There
> is no attempt to exterminate a race or ethnic group...for that,
> today, you should look to Iran (for stated intentions, lacking the
> capability for action today) among others.  If you use the word
> "genocide" to describe any conflict or war between different
> ethnic groups, you cheapen the word beyond recognition.  
>      In that part of the world, you can certainly find Israelis who
> envision the Palestinians being a subject people in Israeli-
> controlled land indefinitely.  This is evil but it is not genocide.
> On the other hand you can find Palestinians--who have power and
> influence, indeed they are the government--who have expressed
> the intent to kill or expel all Jews from the Middle East.  That,
> sir, would be genocide.
> 

So you don't think driving people from their ancestral lands and killing 
them when they assert their rights is genocide? You, sir, should read 
more history.

RCL