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In ba.general Disgruntled Customer <nowhere@nowhow.com> wrote:
> Merlin Dorfman <dorfman@green.rahul.net> enscribed:

>>      Indeed.  "Those kinds" who use the Israel/Palestinian conflict
>> to distract their people from the lousy oppressive government.  And
>> who spend lots of money--mostly from selling oil to the West--to
>> propagate fundamentalist Islam and to publish anti-American and anti-
>> Semitic propaganda.

> Thanks for slowly seeing the light. Now can you finish the thought? Supporting genocide and torturers has a billion or so people pissed off at the U.S. Therefore the best foreign policy is
> (1) Continue this winning policy.
> (2) Or truly support democracy and equality among all humans.

     I believe the US should not support genocide and torture, e.g.,
the governments of Egypt and Saudi Arabia.  Next question.

>>      A "non-racist foreign policy" is one that would be pro-Arab
>> rather than pro-Israel, based on the practicalities of the situation
>> rather than the ethics?  Either way, I think the basis of the policy

> You choose (1).

     You say that I believe we should continue our pro-Arab policy?
Or is that conundrum the result of presenting false choices, a la
George W. Bush?

>>      How are we paying below-market for oil?  As best I can 
>> determine, we are paying the same price as everybody else; after all,

> The U.S. concern has not been control of the price but to secure oil supplies, 
     Your statement was that the US is paying below market price for
oil.  I asked how.  You changed the subject.
     BTW the US was an oil exporter until 1972.  Thus there was no
need to shake things up to "secure oil supplies."


> The U.S policy worked from the 1920s into the 1990s (with a brief hiccup around 1975), but it is now falling apart: people in South America and Asia Minor are too pissed off to be terrorized anymore; note that Hugo Chavez has ascended while the U.S. has become bogged down in Iraq. Useful idiots like you buy into the propaganda that it's about some kind of higher morality; you're busy cheering on the U.S. (directly or through proxies like Israel) dealng with those Arabs you claim are inherently violent, a
nd you don't notice the crimes committed in your name. 

     If you are expecting me to defend US policy WRT Iraq, Cuba, or
Venezuela, I'm afraid that I will have to disappoint you.  You accused
me of getting all my news from Faux News, in fact I avoid it
completely; but you might try some news sources other than Al Jazeera.