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Merlin Dorfman wrote:
> In ba.general Merlin Dorfman <dorfman@green.rahul.net> wrote:
>> In ba.general Disgruntled Customer <nowhere@nowhow.com> wrote:
>>> Merlin Dorfman <dorfman@green.rahul.net> enscribed:
> 
>>>>      The US and Israel (and the EU and Australia and Japan and etc.
>>>> etc. etc.) are not trying to overthrow the Palestinian government,
>>>> much less to "erase it from the map" in the words of Ahmedinijad,
>>>> but merely to encourage it to change its policy, specifically its
>>>> statement that Israel has no right to exist and the entire area
>>>> should be under Palestinian control.
>>>>      If you are asking whether I agree that the US should not have
>>>> invaded Iraq and should not be conducting an embargo against Cuba
>>>> with the objective of "regime change," yes, I agree with those
>>>> statements.
> 
>>> Then do you think Europe, Australia, Japan, etc should stop loaning money to the U.S. (which like Palestine is not self-sufficient and depends on cash infusion from other countries to continue to function) until it changes its policies, regardless of what havoc that wreaks on your life?
> 
>>      I'm not aware that Europe and Australia are lending money to
>> the US; it is mostly Japan and China.  Regardless, if any or all of
>> those countries should decide to stop loaning money to the US, or
>> stop trade with the US, or militarily embargo the US, well, first,
>> I would be surprised, and second, on a practical basis, it would do
>> more harm to those countries than to the US, because the US, despite
>> your uninformed opinion otherwise, is much more self-sufficient than
>> they are, e.g., the Chinese and Japanese economies would collapse
>> without exports to the US, whereas the US would be inconvenienced
>> without the billions of dollars of imports from China, it would not
>> collapse.
>>      I might also point out that there is a difference between
>> loaning money to the US (not a charity but a business decision that
>> it is the best use of surplus funds in terms of return, security,
>> etc.) and giving money to the PA that will never be seen again but
>> may help prevent (more) chaos in the Middle East.
> 
>      Oh, one more thing you conveniently overlooked--while the US 
> is way out of line in the way it seeks "regime change" in Iraq and 
> Cuba, it has not declared its intention to "wipe those countries off
> the map" so they cease to exist.  Aid to the Palestinian Authority
> was not cut off--indeed it was in the hundreds of millions of
> dollars per year--when the PA was merely conducting (or failing
> to prevent others from conducting) terrorism against Israel.  It
> was only with the accession of a government sworn to the complete
> destruction of Israel as a nation that aid was cut off.
> 

Something you conveniently overlook: Jewish destruction of Palestinian 
infrastructure so they can't get a functional government in place to 
stop the retribution. It's a vicious cycle!

RCL