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davehs@ix.netcom.com (David Hutchings) wrote:

>On Mon, 09 Sep 1996 00:30:46 GMT, rex@intr.net (Rex) wrote:

>No but the Chinese and Rusians who were backing them sure where.

I was not aware that they were planning on taking over the US.  I am
still not sure why the take over of S. Korea could have lead to the
dissolution of the US.  It is a real stretch.

>>As for serving our country.  Most people work hard,  for free until
>>mid May, just to pay their federal taxes.  Some of us (in Washington
>>DC), do not even have congressional representation to show for it.

>You know that is not what i was talking about, you can not buy freedom
>you do have some patriotic duties to perform.  As for your thing with
>Washington DC, I have a very simple solution, MOVE to either Maryland
>or Virginia.

Wow, I cannot believe a die hard American such as yourself would make
this statement.  Why do countries bother to fight wars??  You don't
like unfair treatment, just move - why try to change it.  I find it
hard to believe that there should be anywhere in America, were you are
forced to pay full federal taxes, and if you want representation in
congress for that payment, you must move.  Will we get a tax deduction
for our moving expenses?  How about people who cannot afford to move?
If they imposed similar non-voting rights for New Hampshire, would you
simply move?

FYI, I will be moving soon to a state with representation, however,
when I do - I will still tout the structure in DC as unfair, and will
still realize the tyranny of the whole situation.

It is scary that you don't.  Want a Federal City?  Don't want them to
vote?  Fine, but how can you tax them without a vote?  Isn't this a
reason the US was founded?

>And who made it a political nonsense war?  People like you who
>disagreed with the war.  They made such a noise that the politicians
>were scared.  And furthermore, there is a lot of other services one
>can perform that does not have to do with the military.

Oh please.  Of course, it was the protester who MADE it a nonesense
war.  Congress had nothing to do with it.  It was a perfectly riteous
war, which we were instructed not to win.  But the protester created a
ridiculous war.  Okay, now I see where you are coming from.

BTW,  I was an infant when the war began, and had no abilility to
protest anything except for my desire not to eat strained peas.

>>And when you found out how the government went about the "war", it
>>probably made you suffer more.  I am suprised that you are not
>>downright pissed.
>No I was pissed off at the protesters not the government.  What really
>makes you feel good is when you come back from a war and have the
>people you are fighting for through shit on you and call you a baby
>killer.  That is a lot of fun.

Gee, when people realize that the government was abusing their young
men by forcing them into a non-declared war, you blame the protesters.
How dare those people question their governments motives.  When they
saw something wrong, how dare they speak up.  It was all their fault.
Damn protesters.  They should shut the hell up like good Americans,
and do what they are told reguardless.  

>>It doesn't take themselves long to vote themselves a raise, and to
>>vote to exempt themselves from the laws they impose on the public.  I
>>think the swiftness depends on who will benefit from the act.

>How else can they get themselves a raise?  When was the last time you
>had a raise?  Granted they make way too much money but!

Gee,  you really think so?  They make over 5 times the average salary
of the people whom they are supposed to represent.  Granted they make
way too much money, but what?  The last time I got a raise, it sure as
hell wasn't $20,000.  Never mind that we don't even have any members
of Congress (point already addresses).

I bet the people in Congress love you.   You are just their type of
American, and IMHO the most dangerous type.  To each his/her own, I
guess.

>>They would laugh at me too.  But, since I have no elected
>>representatives (Washington DC),  what's the point?
>>
>>What other "democratic" or "free" country in this world, supports
>>taxation without representation for the residents of their capital?
>>
>>Why, if another country did this, the US would decry it as tyranny,
>>and commit our military to rectify the situation.  The irony is rarely
>>realized, though.

>Come on!  All you have to do is move!  It would not be that much of a
>hardship.  Maryland and Virginia are not that much further from any
>job you might have.

No, Dave, you come on.  That is the silliest thing I have heard of.
600,000 people must uproot and move from their homes, just to gain the
rights that other Americans get, even though they are already paying
for them in full.  Why don't the Bosnians just move?  They don't like
tyranny, move.  If you don't think that represents a scary precident,
then perhaps we are too far away from each other's reasoning ability
to even discuss this.  Isn't that what the the first US settlers did,
when they got fed up with taxation without representation in England?
Now, here you are 200+ years later, advocating the same thing.  No
wonder they want to keep the citizens unarmed.

>>Well, it isn't Bush's war anymore.  Bush isn't the president.  Clinton
>>is pursuing the issue now.  Notice the timing.  Even the majority of
>>our allies realize the bullshit reasons and timing behind this thing,
>>and they want nothing to do with it.

>That doesn't make any sense to me.  Our alies are only thinking of one
>thing and that is the things that they can sell to Iraq and that is
>all!

>>Actually, I don't even think that it is a "war" per se.  Isn't it a
>>"military action", like Vietnam?

>Define for me military action!

Bombing, shooting at,  exploding things, and destroying people or
property in another country with recognized military ammunition.

I gave you mine, now what is your definition?

>Dave Hutchings
>In New Hampshire
>EMail Address drftg@mv.mv.com



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