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Re: Mechanization Of America

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From: clifto
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:15
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Brock Ulfsen wrote:
> clifto wrote:
>> Drs. Warren and Marshall won the Nobel Prize in Medicine DESPITE "science",
>> not because of it.
> 
> No, they were thwarted by Capitalism, not science.

There's some material I read years ago that has disappeared from the
web. (One, for example, is a FORTUNE Magazine article that's now pay-
per-read.) It was indeed partly capitalism, but there was one high
muckey-muck who told Dr. Marshall flatly that "nothing can live in
the gut" as his reason to ignore the scientific evidence that proved
that something *was* living in the gut.

> Independent scientific research yused to be funded by Governments, and 
> by foundations and universities with no direct interest in the outcomes. 
> Regulatory agencies were there to validate _independent_ research, not 
> rubber stamp the PR department massaged and legal department obscured 
> reports of people who's living depends on their bosses getting the 
> answers they want.

Yeah, I've heard about days when politics was less important than truth.

> A better example is continental drift, which had to wait for a 
> generation of geologists to die out.

Or perhaps quantum physics. Einstein never allowed God His dice.

> Science is like that, and in the  
> scheme of things, a step on the learning  curve of a generation is 
> pretty short compared to how long it will take the Catholic Church to 
> addapt to a world with the complex interaction of birth control, condoms 
>   and sexually transmitted diseases.

Agreed.

-- 
        If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
           my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.
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