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In article <fnohn118m1nnn6ek999l0cjbqj6b97q9hi@4ax.com>, Don Homuth wrote:

> Nothing is Pure.  Hoping for such a thing is a fool's errand.

> But on a comparative basis, Science is far more Pure than is theology.
> Church Politics is, if anything, even More silly than is academic
> competition.

And any theory that isn't evolution from random molecules is 'theology'. 
That's exactly the point I'm trying to make, that anyone who suggests 
that there might be a different theory, a different explaination than the 
accepted status quo is attacked, ridiculed, whatever it takes to supress 
the ideas, rather than the enlightened ideal. 
 
>>> Entirely as it should be, in that it provides impetus for even More
>>> study and the gaining of More knowledge.

>>The problem is, many typical human traits get involved leading to the 
>>conditions where alternative theories are surpressed.
 
> Knowledge cannot be suppressed over the long term. 

Define 'long term'. Some concepts easily go on for hundreds of years, 
some for thousands. Belief is powerful thing. 

> Less so in the modern era.  Problem is defining what Knowledge really is.

More so 'long term'. 

>>However, it wasn't always like that. 
 
> Nothing was Always like that, for large values of Knowledge.  That's
> the joy of Science - Truth is held in abeyance while new information
> comes along.  Religion is Not like that.

Science does not have the 'open mind' you claim it does. It's populated 
by similiarly closed minded humans and people who have a vested interest 
in the status quo. Challenges are dealt with in a similiar manner much of 
the time. You can have a mountain of facts and evidence that supports 
your theory and still be laughed out of career. 

Just look at the burden of proof difference required for something that 
fits conventional thought and something that doesn't. If it fits 
conventional thought but the evidence is thin it's not even given much of 
a second glance. Have a 100 times that in volume and quality for a theory 
that throws convention on it's ass and expect to still be called a kook. 
 
>>> That's the Human Condition.  Folks defend things till something new
>>> comes along.  Newtonian Physics works as an approximation sufficiently
>>> to build bridges and buildings, but Relativistic Physics builds
>>> nuclear devices, and Quantum Physics builds microcircuits.

>>It's not just until something new comes along. Something new can be 
>>surpressed for decades or even centuries because of the investment in the 
>>status quo. 
 
> If it's to become Knowledge, then Science is rather better at dealing
> with such things than is mere superstition.

The only variable is the amount of power wielded by those trying to 
surpress it. The religious types have simply been more effective because 
they have often controlled governments and militaries throughout the 
centuries and used them to enforce religious belief.