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Michael Zarlenga wrote:
> 
> klaatu (klaatu@clark.net) wrote:
> : > Any overpopulation. And a condom is of little interest to a poor, uneducated
> : > man, unless he can sell or trade it for food.
> 
> : All he needs is this much education: "This is your best protection against a
> : disease which absolutely will kill you if you get it. It also can prevent
> : pregnancy, and another mouth for you to feed."
> 
> That's a baldfaced lie.
> 
> A condom is NOT your best protection against AIDS.

Okay, outside of abstinence, it is. And remember the argument about
abstinence, not many are capable unless forcibly segregated. Sometimes not
even then, look at the incidence of male rape in prisons.

> 
> : If he doesn't have someone feeding him delusions like "you will burn in hell
> : if you use the condom", rationality might commonly win out over the urge to
> : get laid without the condom.
> 
> And, with a 10% failure rate for condoms, what's he to do when one
> breaks?

Wear two just to be safer? Look, _any_ attempt is better than _no_ attempt.

> 
> re: " Burn in hell?"
> Just how ignorant are you?  The Catholic Church teaches that any
> and all sins are forgiveable, if the confessor has true remorse.

And then they can go and sin again, right?

> 
> And that includes murder.

And then after they confess true remorse, they can go murder again and not
burn in hell? Hmmm... sounds very convenient...

>  You think it doesn't also include use of
> a condom?  The Roman Catholic Church teaches that Mary Magdeline, a
> prostitute, was forgiven by Jesus Christ himself, to serve as example
> that no one is beyond redemption, no matter what they've done.
> 
> Oh, but I forgot ... you simply ignore RCC messages you don't like.

No, I just don't hear a whole lot of them directly, mostly because I don't go
to Church, period. But some things one does hear, such as televised coverage
of Papal announcements.

> 
> : the year when Census projects that the voting majority will have a Hispanic
> : surname and will have grown up speaking spanish in the home. they will not
> : close the borders, they will throw them wide open!
> 
> Fat chance.  Did the Irish, Italians, Russians, Jews, and all the
> other immigrants before them throw open the borders?

No, they couldn't. They could not eliminate the oceans, could they? but there
are no oceans between us and Mexico.

And until recently, it must be added that immigrants didn't even need a
sponsor, and family members could be brought in automatically by any citizen. 

> 
> : You really aren't taking evrything into consideration, are you?
> 
> LOL!  That comment broke my irony meter.
> 
> : We'd have all of that if everyone followed the Wiccan Rede too, or the simple
> : Golden rule for that matter, or even the first law of the doctor: "First, do
> : no harm".
> 
> Or the Catholic Church's Golden Rule: "above all else, love thy
> neighbor as thyself."

Actually, that's Matthew 22:37-40 - you might as well quote the whole thing. 

> 
> Oh, right, you're ignoring that, too.

Maybe I don't like myself all that much, okay? I have my faults and I know
that others do as well. And to paraphrase whats-his-name in Men In Black: one
person is a nice guy, "the people" is a panicky mob that will boil over into a
riot at the drop of a hat". I've met many people of every type and as
individuals, mostly I like them. But aggregations and historical forces and
statistical trends have a life of their own, and unlike the individuals who I
probably like, I definitely do not like many of the aggregations and their
statistics and their historical forces.

> 
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