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klaatu wrote:
> 
> Michael Zarlenga wrote:
> >
> > klaatu (klaatu@clark.net) wrote:
> > : > Any overpopulation. And a condom is of little interest to a poor, uneducated
> > : > man, unless he can sell or trade it for food.
> >
> > : All he needs is this much education: "This is your best protection against a
> > : disease which absolutely will kill you if you get it. It also can prevent
> > : pregnancy, and another mouth for you to feed."
> >
> > That's a baldfaced lie.
> >
> > A condom is NOT your best protection against AIDS.
> 
> Okay, outside of abstinence, it is. And remember the argument about
> abstinence, not many are capable unless forcibly segregated. Sometimes not
> even then, look at the incidence of male rape in prisons.

And people say there's no justice!
 
> >
> > : If he doesn't have someone feeding him delusions like "you will burn in hell
> > : if you use the condom", rationality might commonly win out over the urge to
> > : get laid without the condom.
> >
> > And, with a 10% failure rate for condoms, what's he to do when one
> > breaks?
> 
> Wear two just to be safer? Look, _any_ attempt is better than _no_ attempt.

In fact don't some condoms come with a type of spermicide - think it's
nonoxylol9 - which is alleged to have a protective effect against the
virus as well?
 
> >
> > re: " Burn in hell?"
> > Just how ignorant are you?  The Catholic Church teaches that any
> > and all sins are forgiveable, if the confessor has true remorse.
> 
> And then they can go and sin again, right?
> 
> >
> > And that includes murder.
> 
> And then after they confess true remorse, they can go murder again and not
> burn in hell? Hmmm... sounds very convenient...
> 
> >  You think it doesn't also include use of
> > a condom?  The Roman Catholic Church teaches that Mary Magdeline, a
> > prostitute, was forgiven by Jesus Christ himself, to serve as example
> > that no one is beyond redemption, no matter what they've done.
> >
> > Oh, but I forgot ... you simply ignore RCC messages you don't like.
> 
> No, I just don't hear a whole lot of them directly, mostly because I don't go
> to Church, period. But some things one does hear, such as televised coverage
> of Papal announcements.

Like their Grand Jubilee of the Y2K - sounds a little odd to me...
 
> >
> > : the year when Census projects that the voting majority will have a Hispanic
> > : surname and will have grown up speaking spanish in the home. they will not
> > : close the borders, they will throw them wide open!
> >
> > Fat chance.  Did the Irish, Italians, Russians, Jews, and all the
> > other immigrants before them throw open the borders?
> 
> No, they couldn't. They could not eliminate the oceans, could they? but there
> are no oceans between us and Mexico.
> 
> And until recently, it must be added that immigrants didn't even need a
> sponsor, and family members could be brought in automatically by any citizen.
> 
> >
> > : You really aren't taking evrything into consideration, are you?
> >
> > LOL!  That comment broke my irony meter.
> >
> > : We'd have all of that if everyone followed the Wiccan Rede too, or the simple
> > : Golden rule for that matter, or even the first law of the doctor: "First, do
> > : no harm".
> >
> > Or the Catholic Church's Golden Rule: "above all else, love thy
> > neighbor as thyself."
> 
> Actually, that's Matthew 22:37-40 - you might as well quote the whole thing.
> 
> >
> > Oh, right, you're ignoring that, too.
> 
> Maybe I don't like myself all that much, okay? I have my faults and I know
> that others do as well. And to paraphrase whats-his-name in Men In Black: one
> person is a nice guy, "the people" is a panicky mob that will boil over into a
> riot at the drop of a hat". I've met many people of every type and as
> individuals, mostly I like them. But aggregations and historical forces and
> statistical trends have a life of their own, and unlike the individuals who I
> probably like, I definitely do not like many of the aggregations and their
> statistics and their historical forces.

Well put - group think is mutually exclusive - it's usually mob rule.

> >
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