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In article <566j5q$b1g@dhp.com>, pgh@dhp.com (pgh) writes:

>Subject:	Re: NETCOM sucks !!!  and will get SUED for breach of
Contract !!!
>From:	pgh@dhp.com (pgh)
>Date:	11 Nov 1996 02:04:26 -0500
>
>see the article alt.god.grubor for a follow-up to this thread.
>
>Symm (x11x@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: In <32820124.629E@orion.polaristel.net> winky
>: <drewt@orion.polaristel.net> writes: 
>: >
>: >Aga wrote:
>: >
>: >> 
>: >> I doubt it, boy.  Dr. Grubor and his Medpot(c) Foundation and
>: National
>: >> NORML all had a talk with the NETCOM Corporate Administration.
>: >> 
>: >> NETCOM will be keeping both the sci.med.cannabis and
>: misc.activism.cannabis
>: >> newsgroups PERMANENTLY !!
>: >> 
>: >> -aga.admin
>: >> 
>: >> Medpot(c) Foundation
>: >
>: >
>: >What, did Grubor (he's not a Doc, he's a disbarred lawyer)
>
>: He has a Doctorate of Law, dude.  And the fact is he quit the practice
>: of Law for other people, so he could sue more people on his own behalf.
>: I had some e-mail with him yesterday, and he is now going to use his
>: Law Systems Institute to sue NETCOM.
>
>: Just look at this shit:
>
>: ========paste===============
>: From: x11x@ix.netcom.com(Symm)
>: Subject: Re: Political Hacking at NETCOM ?/Re:Doonsbury and California
>: 215
>: To:  support@netcom.com (NETCOM Technical Support)
>: Cc:  natlNORML@aol.com
>: Cc:  medpot@pgh.org
>: Cc:  esq@pgh.org
>: Cc:  drgrubor@aol.com
>: Cc:  boursy@zipnet.net
>: You wrote: 
>: >
>: >> From x11x@ix.netcom.com  Thu Nov  7 04:21:36 1996
>: >> Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com 
>: [206.214.98.7]) by office3.corp.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom-Corp) with 
>: ESMTP id EAA11461; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 04:21:35 -0800
>: >> Received: from  (x11x@pit-pa1-13.ix.netcom.com [199.183.195.45]) by 
>: dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA14065; Thu, 7 Nov
>
>: 1996 04:21:00 -0800
>: >> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 04:21:00 -0800
>: >> Message-Id: <199611071221.EAA14065@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com>
>: >> From: x11x@ix.netcom.com (Symm)
>: >> Subject: Political Hacking at NETCOM ?/Re:Doonsbury and California 
>: 215
>: >> To: Eric Golden <nc0225@corp.netcom.com>
>: >> Cc: natlnorml@aol.com
>: >> Cc: medpot@pgh.org
>: >> Cc: drgrubor@aol.com
>: >> Cc: esq@pgh.org
>: >> Cc: support@office.netcom.com
>: >> 
>: >> Dear Mr. Golden:
>: >> 
>: >> First of all, on behalf of natlNORML and the Medpot(c) Foundation,
>: >> I wish to thank you for your Administrative action taken by you to
>: >> add the two medical cannabis newsgroups to the NETCOM server.
>: >> 
>: >> As you said, both of the newsgroups showed up on the news-server
>: >> yesterday.  However, when we checked this morning, they were gone.
>: >> 
>: >> Since 215 passed, this is a hot political issue Nationwide now, and 
>: >> somebody has apparently conducted a political hacking of the NETCOM 
>: >> news-server.  I was under the impression that the NETCOM corporate 
>: >> administration made the decisions in the newsgroup matters, and that
>
>
>: >> they were not subject to outside influence.  However, with what has 
>: >> occurred, that "appears" not to be the case.
>: >> 
>: >> In essence, we relied upon your e-mail, and your position as a 
>: >> Corporate Officer of NETCOM, and we advised a great number of our 
>: >> members (NORML and Medpot(c) Foundation) to join up with NETCOM 
>: because 
>: >> you had started carrying these two medical cannabis newsgroups, and 
>: I 
>: >> was under the impression that your decision was final. You are the
>: >> corporate administrator who gives orders to the newsgroup technical
>: >> people, correct?  It was for the medical patients nationwide
>: >> that we requested these newsgroups.
>: >> 
>: >> What is most likely here is that your news-server has been 
>: politicaly 
>: >> hacked.  This is common on usenet, so we do understand.
>: >> 
>: >> However, if you could please check into this matter and see who
>: >> removed these newsgroups from the NETCOM server, we would be greatly
>: >> appreciative.  And we would really also appreciate it if you can
>: >> get these newsgroups back on the NETCOM news-server as soon as
>: >> possible, as this has now become a very embarassing situation
>: >> for the members of both NORML and the Medpot(c) Foundation.
>: >> 
>: >> AOL keeps these newsgroups on their server, and keeps them
>: >> protected from rmgroup hacking such as this, and we know
>: >> of dozens of other ISPs who now do the same thing.  So, would
>: >> appreciate it if you could institute the same safeguards
>: >> into your INN software at NETCOM to keep this from happening again.
>: >> 
>: >> I will be happy to speak with your News Administrator and
>: >> show him how to create the INN patch in the software, if
>: >> necessary, but I am sure any technical newsgoup personnel
>: >> can do the same patch. BTW, what is the name of the person at NETCOM
>: >> who is in charge of the Usenet Newsgroup Administration?
>: >> Should I direct this communication to him?
>: >> 
>: >> Thank you for your anticipated cooperation in connection
>: >> with this matter.
>: >> 
>: >> Sincerely Yours,
>: >> 
>: >> Symm/member of
>: >> Medpot(c) Foundation
>: >> and natlNORML
>: >> 
>: >> You wrote: 
>: >> >
>: >> >Symm writes:
>: >> >> From support@corp.netcom.com  Sat Nov  2 07:18:25 1996
>: >> >> Received: from ixmail6.ix.netcom.com (ixmail6.ix.netcom.com 
>: >> [199.182.120.56]) by office3.corp.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom-Corp) 
>: with 
>: >> ESMTP id HAA20421 for <ixsuppor@office.netcom.com>; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 
>: >> 07:18:24 -0800
>: >> >> Received: from office.corp.netcom.com (office.corp.netcom.com 
>: >> [199.35.110.101]) by ixmail6.ix.netcom.com (8.7.5/SMI-4.1/Netcom)
>: >> >>      id HAA07666; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 07:14:21 -0800 (PST)
>: >> >> Received: (from support@localhost) by office.corp.netcom.com 
>: >> (8.6.12/Netcom-Corp) id HAA19752 for support@ix.netcom.com; Sat, 2 
>: Nov 
>: >> 1996 07:14:06 -0800
>: >> >> Received: from mail5.netcom.com (root@mail5.netcom.com 
>: >> [192.100.81.141]) by office.corp.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom-Corp) 
>: with 
>: >> ESMTP id HAA19749 for <support@office.netcom.com>; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 
>: >> 07:14:05 -0800
>: >> >> Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com 
>: >> [206.214.98.4]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom)
>: >> >>      id HAA25343; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 07:13:49 -0800
>: >> >> Received: from pit-pa3-14.ix.netcom.com 
>: >> (x11x@pit-pa3-14.ix.netcom.com [199.183.195.110]) by 
>: >> dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA03403; Sat, 2 
>: Nov 
>: >> 1996 07:12:40 -0800
>: >> >> Message-ID: <327B8EE7.3CFB@ix.netcom.com>
>: >> >> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 10:11:51 -0800
>: >> >> From: Symm <xiix@ix.netcom.com>
>: >> >> Organization: Matrix Systems
>: >> >> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250  (Win16; U)
>: >> >> MIME-Version: 1.0
>: >> >> To: support@netcom.com
>: >> >> CC: natlnorml@aol.com, medpot@pgh.org
>: >> >> Subject: Doonsbury and California 215
>: >> >> X-URL: http://www.netcom.com/netcom/contact.html
>: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>: >> >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>: >> >> 
>: >> >> Dear NETCOM Support:
>: >> >> 
>: >> >> We just tried out your new NETCOM service here, as we are 
>: planning
>: >> >> to move to California soon and we knew you were a California 
>: based
>: >> >> Corporation.  Upon seeing your webpage, we were very happy to see
>
>
>: >> the 
>: >> >> Doonsbury comics on the front page, as he discusses Proposition 
>: 215
>: >> >> for California, which is being voted on next week.  However, much
>
>: to 
>: >> 
>: >> >> our dismay, when we checked the Usenet news service, we found 
>: that 
>: >> both 
>: >> >> propsition 215 newsgroups were missing from your server.
>: >> >> 
>: >> >> Could you please tell us how we can get these very important 
>: >> California
>: >> >> and nationally important Newsgroups added to the news-server here
>
>: as 
>: >> soon
>: >> >> as possible.  AOL carries both of these newsgroups, and we can 
>: not 
>: >> understand
>: >> >> why NETCOM does not have them here.  Just who is the 
>: >> newsadministrator
>: >> >> for NETCOM? -- we need to get the sci.med.cannabis and the 
>: >> misc.activism.cannabis
>: >> >> newsgroups added to the news-server as soon as possible.
>: >> >> 
>: >> >> Thank you much for your assistance in this urgent matter.  With 
>: the
>: >> >> election coming next week, these newsgroups are of the utmost 
>: >> importance
>: >> >> to the medical patients in California and other parts of the 
>: >> country.
>: >> >> 
>: >> >> The AIDS patients and other medical Cannabis users thank you for 
>: >> your 
>: >> >> kind assistance in getting these newsgroups on the NETCOM server 
>: as 
>: >> soon 
>: >> >> as possible.  This is a medical newsgroup neccessity, and we are 
>: >> just trying to
>: >> >> have the same newsgroups here as AOL and GNN does.
>: >> >> 
>: >> >> Regards,
>: >> >> 
>: >> >> Symm
>: >> >> 
>: >> >
>: >> >Hello,
>: >> >
>: >> >Thank you for requesting the above active news groups.  To conserve
>: >> >resources, it is not our policy to add newly created news groups to
>
>
>: >> our
>: >> >server until requested.  Our News administrators will add it to our
>: >> >server as soon as possible.

That looks like a promise from NETCOM.  Just what is this
Eric Golden's position at NETCOM?






>: >> >
>: >> (irrelevant text cut)
>: >> 
>: >> >If you have any other questions or concerns, please do not hesitate
>
>: to
>: >> >contact us again.
>: >> >
>: >> >- Eric C. Golden
>: >> >
>: >> 
>: >---------------------------------------------------------------------
>: >> >           _     _
>: >> >          |_|_  |_|   Email Technical Support 
>: >> >         _  |_|_      NETCOM On-Line Communication Services, Inc.
>: >> >        |_|  _|_|     http://www.netcom.com/bin/webtech  
>: >> >            |_|       
>: >> >                      24-Hour Technical Support:  (408) 881-1810
>: >> >
>: >> 
>: >---------------------------------------------------------------------
>: >> >
>: >> >
>: >> >
>: >
>: >---------------------------------------------------------------------
>: >For a more immediate answer in the future, please see these two new
>: >services:
>: >
>: >Fax on Demand:        1-800-NETNET3 (1-800-638-6383)
>: >On-Line Support:      http://www.netcom.com/bin/webtech
>: >---------------------------------------------------------------------
>: >
>: >Hello,
>: >
>: >The removal of the above newsgroups is not due to any attempted 
>: censorship
>: >on Netcom's part, nor is it due to any opinion that NETCOM On-Line
>: >Communication Services has on cannabis.  Instead, NETCOM honors the
>: >standard process of creating a newsgroup in the "big seven"  
>: hierarchy. 
>
>: That is a bunch of crap.  NETCOM said it would add ANY newsgroup that
>: we wanted when we signed up.  And there is no Big-7 anymore.
>
>: Both of those newsgroups have neen carried by AOL for months.
>: Is NETCOM controlled by some outside forces?
>
>: You just may end up getting AOL investigated by the justice
>: department for this.  We were told yesterday by a Mr. Eric Golden that
>: those newsgroups would be added as soon as possible, and we relied on 
>: that.  Just who is the Corporation Officer in sharge of UseNet?
>
>
>: >If you need to have a newsgroup, you are free to newgroup an article 
>: in
>: >the alt hierarchy, after discussion in the newsgroup alt.config. 
>: >
>
>: That is also a bunch of crap. We are not going to go by any
>: UUNET rules of censorship at NETCOM here.  You are acting as
>: an agent of the UUNET cabal by doing this, and you are going
>: to get NETCOM sued in Court.
>
>: >The fact we had these newsgroups in our spool yesterday was due to a 
>: >mistake on our part, where we honored forged newgroup commands.  We 
>: >apologize for any confusion on our part.
>: >
>
>: Well, you had better replace them at once, or we are going to
>: sue NETCOM. Since proposition 215 has passed, we are going to
>: make this a Nationwide thing.  There are Dozens of other ISPs 
>: on the InterNet that carry those two medical cannabis newsgroups,
>: so why can't NETCOM?
>
>: >It does sometimes seem unfair that it is difficult to create 
>: newsgroups in
>: >the "big seven" hierarchy.  
>
>: Where have you been?  It is a big-8 now, and not a big seven.
>: And that has NOTHING to do with NETCOM.
>
>
>: The reason for this is to minimize the chaos
>: >present in the alt hierarchy, where newsgroups have limited 
>: propagation,
>
>: That is bullshit.  Go check dejanews, and you will see that
>: the misc.activism.cannabis newsgroup has over a thousand
>: articles on it.  You are not going to get away with this without
>: a Court fight.  You MUST carry the medical cannabis newsgroups for
>: a medical necessity, and that is all there is to it.
>
>: >a number of bogus newsgroups with little meaningful content exist, and
>: >less respect is held for these newsgroups by many news servers. 
>: >
>
>: Look, obviously, you do not know much about Usenet.
>
>: >If you have any questions about this matter, please contact us again 
>: at 
>: >support@netcom.com.
>: >
>
>: I suggest that you telephone me at (412) 829-7853
>: as soon as possible.  If you do not, I am going to get
>: my Lawyer and sue NETCOm for this action.
>
>
>
>: >If you have any other questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to
>: >contact us again.
>: >
>: >- Sam 
>: >
>
>: Look Sam, Eric said he would add the group.  Is Eric your Boss or are
>: you Eric's boss?  
>
>
>: >---------------------------------------------------------------------
>: >           _     _
>: >          |_|_  |_|   Email Technical Support 
>: >         _  |_|_      NETCOM On-Line Communication Services, Inc.
>: >        |_|  _|_|     http://www.netcom.com/bin/webtech  
>: >            |_|       
>: >                      24-Hour Technical Support:  (408) 983-5970 
>: >                       
>: >---------------------------------------------------------------------
>: >
>
>: Dr. Grubor from the Medpot(c) foundation will be calling you
>: within a few minutes.  Please be available.  What is your
>: last name anyway?
>
>: This action is being posted to UseNet.
>
>:                 Symm
>
>
>
>
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