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EJ Renda wrote:
> I don't know if I like the idea of a disc lock considering
> all the horror stories I've heard and read.

Spare me the 3rd-hand BS.

If you're too drunk or otherwise stupid to take off the disc lock,
you're too drunk or otherwise stupid to ride. Far better for the drunks
and the other people on the road to have them knock themselves down
within the first 8 feet.

I've been using a disc lock since 1992 with no horror stories at all.

DoD# i

Ecnerwal wrote:

> If you're too drunk or otherwise stupid to take off the disc lock,
> you're too drunk or otherwise stupid to ride. Far better for the drunks
> and the other people on the road to have them knock themselves down
> within the first 8 feet.

hmmmm ... I guess that must make me a stupid rider.  Lots of other good
riders I know have done this same stupid mistake as well.  Guess they
shouldn't let us on a track or anything like that ... we might be too
stupid to know what's going on!

People have tried different techniques to help them remember:
-- "remove before flight" tags
-- Dummy key in the ignition
-- magnet covering the ignition
-- moving the lock close to the caliper

it's been known to happen ...

If you're worried about your bike being stolen, check out the
thread started yesterday called "My bike got stolen..."

> I've been using a disc lock since 1992 with no horror stories at all.

you must be one of the few non-stupid people that owns a disk lock.
congratulations!

just call me,
too stupid to ride

>I was just wondering what other people are using for motorcycle security.
>I've recently purchased a really nice ZX-9 and am pondering what to use
>for mobile security.  I don't know if I like the idea of a disc lock
>considering
>all the horror stories I've heard and read.
>
>Any responses would be appreciated.
>EJ Renda
Ecnerwal <LawrenceSMITH@SOuthernVERmont.NET> wrote in message
news:38F36823.1982@SOuthernVERmont.NET...
> EJ Renda wrote:
> > I don't know if I like the idea of a disc lock considering
> > all the horror stories I've heard and read.
>
> Spare me the 3rd-hand BS.
>
> If you're too drunk or otherwise stupid to take off the disc lock,
> you're too drunk or otherwise stupid to ride. Far better for the drunks
> and the other people on the road to have them knock themselves down
> within the first 8 feet.
>
> I've been using a disc lock since 1992 with no horror stories at all.
>
> DoD# i


Thanks for the help; appreciated.

I, too, had sworn I would never buy a disc lock, after so many people I
knew who had them forgot to remove them and dumped.  But now there are the
Xena disc locks, which start screaming the moment the bike is tipped or
moved even a little.  I bought one of these for my new SV650.  It hasn't
had to scream at me yet, but I take comfort in knowing that it will (and
will also scream at a potential thief).

Denise   AFM #732
'91 Nighthawk 750 <--for sale
'95 CBR600 F3
'88 EX250 racebike
'00 SV650 <--woohoo!

John Rabasa wrote:
> hmmmm ... I guess that must make me a stupid rider.  Lots of other good
> riders I know have done this same stupid mistake as well.  Guess they
> shouldn't let us on a track or anything like that ... we might be too
> stupid to know what's going on!

Actually, Mr. I'm-a-bad-ass-racer-boy-it-makes-me-so-smart, I'd far
rather have you on a track than on the road with that attitude. You and
your racer-boy friends can play there without bothering the rest of us.
Have fun. Fill in your organ-donor card.

I could design a kill switch which needed to have a disk lock on it
before the engine would crank, but I don't really want to encourage
brain-dead motorcyclists - there are plenty of brain-dead cagers on the
road already. 

> People have tried different techniques to help them remember:

FINE-C becomes FINE-CD or DFINE-C
I did put the supplied sticker near the ignition switch. Can't say it's
helped much, but it can't hurt. The simple fact that there are two keys
on the key ring is usually more than enough. I also never leave the lock
off, so I take it off _every_ time; it's routine.

DoD# i
XJ650LJ

Ecnerwal wrote:

> Actually, Mr. I'm-a-bad-ass-racer-boy-it-makes-me-so-smart, I'd far
> rather have you on a track than on the road with that attitude. You and
> your racer-boy friends can play there without bothering the rest of us.
> Have fun. Fill in your organ-donor card.

My point is that there are plenty of us who have done the stupid mistake,
but that doesn't make us all stupid riders.  It only takes one disk-lock
mistake to prevent yourself from doing it again (or not using it, or getting
a garage, or whatever).

> I could design a kill switch which needed to have a disk lock on it
> before the engine would crank, but I don't really want to encourage
> brain-dead motorcyclists - there are plenty of brain-dead cagers on the
> road already.

Cool idea.  I think brain-dead motorcycles will always be brain-dead
motorcycles.  Most, I believe, are very alert when riding, only because
every one of us has probably experienced that "cage taking your space"
syndrome.

> I also never leave the lock
> off, so I take it off _every_ time; it's routine.

That's the key to using disk lock ... it has to be a habit.  Otherwise,
you'll fall into the same category as the rest of us who have done that
mistake.

I just don't agree that you're stupid rider for forgetting.  You may have
made a mistake, but you're not forever tagged as being a stupid rider.
Embarrassed?  Yes.  Stupid, that's a whole other category of rider.

jr
Bad-ass-racer-boy-it-makes-me-so-smart
(too bad it doesn't make me faster)

Ecnerwal wrote in message <38F3A1DC.4A2E@SOuthernVERmont.NET>...
>Actually, Mr. I'm-a-bad-ass-racer-boy-it-makes-me-so-smart, I'd far
>rather have you on a track than on the road with that attitude. You and
>your racer-boy friends can play there without bothering the rest of us.
>Have fun. Fill in your organ-donor card

What attitude?  What do you know about John's attitude?  He's one of the
more competent, reasonable and safe riders you'll ever meet, whether or not
he's ever forgotten to take off his disk lock.

ab

In ba.motorcycles Greg <greg@nospam.com> wrote:
> I just read about a new
> one, in Cycle World I think, that has an alarm built in. If you tip the bike
> 10 the alarm goes off. That should do two things, help you remember, and
> discourage would be thieves who just want to load your pride & joy into the
> back of a pickup.

The brand name is Xena, and it's not that new--been around for at least a
year or so.  I got one for my new SV.  I mentioned it in a previous post
on this same thread.  They're not only available via mail-order--Road
Rider and Redwood Honda-everything has them.

Denise   AFM #732
'91 Nighthawk 750 <--for sale
'95 CBR600 F3
'88 EX250 racebike
'00 SV650 <--woohoo!

In ba.motorcycles Ecnerwal <LawrenceSMITH@SOuthernVERmont.NET> wrote:
> Actually, Mr. I'm-a-bad-ass-racer-boy-it-makes-me-so-smart, I'd far
> rather have you on a track than on the road with that attitude. You and
> your racer-boy friends can play there without bothering the rest of us.
> Have fun. Fill in your organ-donor card.

Who's the one with the attitude problem, here?  John was generous and
didn't lash back at you for yours; sure gotta hand it to him for that.
For your information, John is one of the more helpful and skilled 
riders/racers you could ever hope to make the acquaintance of.  When you
finally sign up for a day at California Superbike School to learn how to
_really_ ride, ask for John.  He's an instructor.  They don't hire people
with I'm-a-bad-ass-racer-boy-it-makes-me-so-smart attitudes.

And by the way, there's a difference between _making_ a stupid mistake,
and _being_ a stupid rider.

Denise   AFM #732
'91 Nighthawk 750 <--for sale
'95 CBR600 F3
'88 EX250 racebike
'00 SV650 <--woohoo!

EJ Renda <ej.renda@analog.com> wrote in message
news:8cvirv$gol1@nwd2nws1.analog.com...
> I was just wondering what other people are using for motorcycle security.
> I've recently purchased a really nice ZX-9 and am pondering what to use
> for mobile security.  I don't know if I like the idea of a disc lock
> considering
> all the horror stories I've heard and read.
>
> Any responses would be appreciated.
> EJ Renda


I have used a disk lock for a long time now. Forgot about it once, didn't do
any damage, but I haven't forgotten again (yet). I just read about a new
one, in Cycle World I think, that has an alarm built in. If you tip the bike
10� the alarm goes off. That should do two things, help you remember, and
discourage would be thieves who just want to load your pride & joy into the
back of a pickup.

Ride safe.

Greg

Denise,
How much did you pay for the lock?  I've seen it ranging in price quite a
bit.
I'm not sure if it's worth buying it for around $80 or just spending a
little more
and having a full blown decent alarm put in.
EJ


Denise Howard <denisehAT@idiomDOT.com> wrote in message
news:8d2tih$25th$1@news.idiom.com...
> In ba.motorcycles Greg <greg@nospam.com> wrote:
> > I just read about a new
> > one, in Cycle World I think, that has an alarm built in. If you tip the
bike
> > 10 the alarm goes off. That should do two things, help you remember, and
> > discourage would be thieves who just want to load your pride & joy into
the
> > back of a pickup.
>
> The brand name is Xena, and it's not that new--been around for at least a
> year or so.  I got one for my new SV.  I mentioned it in a previous post
> on this same thread.  They're not only available via mail-order--Road
> Rider and Redwood Honda-everything has them.
>
> Denise   AFM #732
> '91 Nighthawk 750 <--for sale
> '95 CBR600 F3
> '88 EX250 racebike
> '00 SV650 <--woohoo!

In ba.motorcycles EJ Renda <ej.renda@analog.com> wrote:
> 
> Denise,
> How much did you pay for the lock?  I've seen it ranging in price quite a
> bit.

I paid $79.99 for mine, just because I wanted it right then on the spot to
go with my new bike purchase.  But I've seen it in cataloags for $64.99 or
so.  (Of course then you have to pay for shipping.)

Denise   AFM #732
'91 Nighthawk 750 <--for sale
'95 CBR600 F3
'88 EX250 racebike
'00 SV650 <--woohoo!