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In article <1993Jan27.201008.4700@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> fvaughn@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Frederick Vaughn) writes:
>Has anybody heard anything on whether the Amendment 2 controversy in Colorado 
>has affected either the sales or the publication of _Bulk Male_ magazine, see
>as it is based in Denver? I want to know if buying it is still PC (which I
>assume it must _still_ be for the time being, as it is a GAY business I would
>supporting.).
>
>FRED

I support the ban on Colorado, but it makes sense to only apply
it to *het* businesses, those are the people we are trying to communicate
with, even (especially) the gay friendly ones.  By continuing to do
business with any GAY businesses in Colorado we can make sure they still
have support.  But I think we should encourage those gay businesses
to get involved.

Can anyone send me through email the addresses of any gay groups
working against the Oregon and Colorado initiatives??  I want
to send a donation.

--Mark

fvaughn@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Frederick Vaughn) wrote: 
->Has anybody heard anything on whether the Amendment 2 controversy in Colorado 
->has affected either the sales or the publication of _Bulk Male_ magazine, seeing
->as it is based in Denver? I want to know if buying it is still PC 

fuck PC; think for yourself.

are there going to be any activists in your bedroom who will protest
while you read it?

+sigh+

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
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In article <1993Jan28.132955.7838@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan28.073825.2348@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM
>(Henry Mensch) writes:
>
>>fvaughn@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Frederick Vaughn) wrote:
>
>>>Has anybody heard anything on whether the Amendment 2
>>>controversy in Colorado has affected either the sales or the
>>>publication of _Bulk Male_ magazine, seeing as it is based
>>>in Denver?  I want to know if buying it is still PC
>
>Henry's famous terseness is not always easily decoded.
>Let me add a gloss to illuminate a point or two here.

Henry doesn't need anyone to defend him, but since I agree with
the essentials of what he is saying, I'll elaborate on what he
said.  And while this may not need saying, this is only my
opinion.

>>fuck PC; think for yourself.
>
>When he says "fuck PC," he means all the kinds other than
>his own, of course.  Morals being a strictly private and
>personal matter, you're forbidden to know or care what
>others may think, except "Think for yourself" is his way of
>saying "listen to me."

Careful, Jess.  You're doing the exact thing you're accusing
Henry of here.  If morals aren't a private thing, why should
Fred listen to you any more than he should Henry?

I said almost the same thing Henry did, before I saw his response.
You *should* think for yourself.  If that happens to coincide with
what others think, that's fine.  But this "PC" concept implies that
there is a moral absolutism, and such a thing cannot exist.

>>are there going to be any activists in your bedroom who
>>will protest while you read it?

>In his rush to be HM-PC, he sometimes forgets what the
>question was.  I don't know whether the publication or sales
>of the magazine have been affected.  He probably doesn't
>either.

I think I answered the publication question in my original
message.

Whether or not the publication or sales have been affected is
irrelevant.  Our request to "think for yourself" is just that.
It wasn't a call to "think like Henry" or "think like Terry" or
or "think like Jess".  It was a request for Fred to make up his 
own mind about whether or not he should personally boycott Colorado.

>>+sigh+

>This is long-sufferingness of the terse type, I suppose.
>In this, our Henry is a True Artist.

As opposed to long suffering of the verbose type, I guess.  I don't
know art, but I know what I like.  Sometimes terseness is appropriate.

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