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In <Kimnach.610.0010CC30@popserve.lerc.nasa.gov>
Kimnach@popserve.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg L. Kimnach) writes: 
>
>In article <4o0gml$5cu@joni.loop.net> Geryon@yes.its.me.com (Geryon)
writes:
>>From: Geryon@yes.its.me.com (Geryon)
>>Subject: Re: Men As "Success Objects" & Women As "Sex Objects"
>>Date: 23 May 1996 01:57:41 GMT
>
>>In article <4nviv4$ck5@transfer.stratus.com>, fereira@isis.com (John
Fereira) says:
>>>
>>>In article <4nv4l6$b86@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>
yng@firefly.prairienet.org (Y Ng) writes:
>>>>
>>>>Jennifer R Lind (betzl@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>
>>>>: As I just said above, owning a house doesn't mean someone is
>>>>: responsible, so yes I am changing my view here.  There is more to
>>>>: responsibilty than saving money though.  The proble with the men
I went
>>>>: out with is that since they never lived on there own they didn't
know
>>>>: how to take care of themselves.  Mother did laundry, bought food,
>>>>: cooked, etc.  When I get married I'm not going to work full time
and
>>>>: take care of the house.  I already played that game with one guy
I
>>>>: lived with and I'm not doing it again.   
>>>>: 
>>I rent a small house from my betters, but it still somewhat comes to
>>the same thing 'living at home'.  And much as I hate to admit it,
>>I am afraid your right on this one.  Although I pretty much run my
>>little place as an independent entity now, for a long time 'ol Ma
>>and Pa wanted to keep taking care of me like I was a teenager.  [I'm
>>the youngest in the family-*danger danger danger*]
>>This made my own responsibility a bit slow in coming.
>
>>Usually the old folks wanna keep there last lil' darling around for
ever,
>>even though the do it subconciously.  Always finding reasons why
'junior'
>>should stick around.  And often these reasons are very *good*
reasons,
>>at least financially...except junior, already being the youngest and
>>not having had to carry quite as responsibility as his/her senior
>>siblings, is still kept from learning the full rigors of independent
>>life...
>
>
>..and i'll disagree with both of you.  yes, i'm still at home, but
since my 
>parents got divorced when i was 12, it was i that did all the cooking
and 
>cleaning (well, my younger sister helped until she moved out).  dad
would cook 
>on the weekends usually: a great cook, and i learned from him.  but
all the 
>cleaning, yardwork, pool maintainance, etc. were--and are my
responsibility.  
>hell, i've had all the responsibility of a homeowner from a young age!
>
>even when i "moved in" with a college girlfriend  (in quotes because i
never 
>changed my address or even kept a closet full of clothes at her
place), i made 
>sure to go home and get the chores done.
>
>yep, i guess i'm irresponsible because i'm comin' up on 35, got a
masters 
>degree, have been working for over 8 years, have a sizable savings,
and 
>will have my own place built next year.  all according to _my_ plan.
>
>go figure.......there are no absolutes.  each situation is different.
>

>greg

greg, I won't say that your an exception to the rule because I have no
idea what the rule is.  I can only make decisions based on my past
experiences.  I went out with 2 guys who lived at home and they were
both irresponsible (if you count my brother, that makes three).  I also
know a guy who has his own house and takes care of it worse than anyone
I've ever seen.  So, as I said there is no rule here.  I'm just wary of
living with a man who has never had the responsibility of taking care
of himself because I've been burned in the past.  In no way do I think
this applies to all men.  I'm just being cautious.

BTW, I have lived on my own but I am currently living with my mother so
that I can go back to school.  Does this make me irresponsible.  I
think not.

Jen