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3 total messages Started by Jan Eric Larsson Fri, 05 Jul 1985 22:43
Chess programs cheating at chess.
#821
Author: Jan Eric Larsson
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1985 22:43
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Do computers cheat at chess?

This discussion has been around many times. The argument
is that chess programs use internal representation of
the chess board, i.e. another board and/or an opening
book. A human player is allowed to bring neither an extra
board or an openings book. Therefore chess programs is
cheating and should not be allowed in human competition.

This is all very confused. The argument can be met at two
different levels. First, human players think of the board
position or different aspects of it, and they usually also
have learnt a few opening variations from a book. The same
thing should be alright for a chess program. Isn't it quite
obvious that memory, even say a disk, is an internal part
of the computer system? I think that one should compare a
human player with the entire system, not only with the cpu,
disk or (let's say) the housing. In this way, the analogy
argument does not say that computers cheat at chess.

But of course there is a good formulation of the argument.
I think it could be simply "Chess programs are not (even
comparable to) humans, so they should not be allowed in
human competition". This is both simple and, I think, valid.
The solution to the whole problem is to have different
classes, human, computer and open to all.

Jan Eric Larsson
Department of Automatic Control
Lund Institute of Technology
Lund, (Close to Copenhagen), Sweden

Path: !seismo!mcvax!enea!alibaba!regler!janeric

By the way:

An opening book doesn't usually give a program very much
in playing strength. Most tests actually points in the
opposite direction if anywhere at all. The main use of
the book in a program is to make its play more interesting
to humans. I would be very sorry if opening books in chess
programs were skipped.
Re: Chess programs cheating at chess.
#823
Author: zben
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1985 03:44
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Well, the Sargon ][ I have on my Apple ][+ cheats.  It sometimes takes 
en-passent pawn moves when there are no pawns to capture!  Even though
it won't let YOU make en-passent moves.  First time this happened I got
so p*ssed I promoted eight pawns to queens and ran its king all around
the board torturing it until I could come up with a nice symmetrical
mate with queens all around the king...

It's a pretty punk program - /usr/games/chess is MUCH smarter and faster...
-- 
Ben Cranston  ...{seismo!umcp-cs,ihnp4!rlgvax}!cvl!umd5!zben  zben@umd2.ARPA
Re: Chess programs cheating at chess.
#825
Author: the absurdist
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1985 21:05
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[ bug to KR8 -- Splat! ]

Ah, yes ... cheating.  The original version of Sargon for the
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model I would cheat, also.
	Once I had it in check, and it ignored this.
The next move, I took its King ... drawing Sargon's attention
to the fact that it had lost.
	It made ANOTHER move, and redrew the board showing my
King as being its color, while a King of my color was nowhere
to be found.  
	I never got to find out what it would have done when I
took the second King, since it crashed a move later.
	It wasn't my computer, so I never got the chance
to play it again and try and duplicate the bug.

-- 
"Grovel, you commoners!" -- Harry Flashman, V.C.
Rick Keir -- MicroComputer Information Center, MACC
1210 West Dayton St/U Wisconsin Madison/Mad WI 53706
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