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Article #272Re: Favorite operating systems query (UNIX vs VMS flaming!!!)
From: iwm
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1986 20:20
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1986 20:20
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In article <1320@psivax.UUCP> friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) writes:
>>
>>No. VMS programs will not let you invoke them with bogus arguments. Since
>>the arguments are parsed by DCL before the program is invoked, if you give
>>too many parameters or an unknown switch DCL will reject it with an error
>>message that points out the specific problem.
>
> Oh, *great*:-) How does the DCL parse the arguments for a user
>written application program?? I can't see how it can do this without
>some rather messy interface requirements. This really sounds like a
>way to make user-written programs second class citizens on the system.
>I think the individual program is better qualified to analyse its own
>arguments, whay is really needed is a *standard* for this, like getopts(3)!
Well I find its a very nice interface:
1 Define the syntax in a text form in a command definition file eg:
DEFINE VERB CRASH
IMAGE "USER_GAMES:DIE.EXE"
PARAMETER P1,LABEL=TIME,VALUE(PROMPT="When?,TYPE=$DATETIME)
2 Write your program and use two interface functions to check if
items are pressent and get their values, using the label to refer to them.
3 Install the command by typing SET COMMAND filename - when and where you do this
depends on who you want to see the definition.
I like this because :
All the prompting, syntax checks etc are done for you, it is possible to list
mutually exclusive options and have that checked too. Data type checks
can be specified - the example will only allow a valid date/time, and
will even convert CRASH TOMORROW into the real date for me!
The real winner is that it is the SAME parser for all commands. I
have problems with any system that forces each program to parse its args
(CMS, NOS, UNIX...) - by all means use getopt, but who is going to rewrite
existing programs and manuals?
--
Ian W Moor
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Department of Computing Whereat a great and far-off voice was heard, saying,
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Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!utzoo!utcs!mnetor!seismo!mcvax!ukc!icdoc!iwm From: iwm@icdoc.UUCP Newsgroups: net.decus,net.unix,net.usenix Subject: Re: Favorite operating systems query (UNIX vs VMS flaming!!!) Message-ID: <347@ivax.doc.ic.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 10-Jul-86 16:20:11 EDT Article-I.D.: ivax.347 Posted: Thu Jul 10 16:20:11 1986 Date-Received: Sat, 12-Jul-86 06:37:27 EDT References: <486@batcomputer.TN.CORNELL.EDU> <1000@ttrdc.UUCP> <873@rti-sel.UUCP> <1320@psivax.UUCP> Reply-To: iwm@doc.ic.ac.uk (Ian Moor) Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, London, UK. Lines: 43