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Article #88Re: Re : Rigged World Championship
From: Cesar Quiroz
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1985 20:32
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1985 20:32
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Although I think the new rules are not *as* rigged as they may look like,
I still feel they are unnecessarily pro-champion, whoever the champion
happens to be.
Please, notice first that I agree with limiting the number of games to
reasonable number (24 looks good). Maybe Kasparov's idea of extending
the match by 6 more games in the event of a tie at 24 could be considered,
but doesn't seem really necessary. Also, I agree with the champion
remaining in the title if the match is a tie. (I seem to recall that
Lasker-Schlechter ended up something like +1 =10 -1 for both players,
mainly due to Schlechter's superb play-for-a-draw skill.)
However, I disagree with the "rematch" clause. For instance:
From article <369@ssc-bee.UUCP> (ditzel@ssc-bee.UUCP (Charles L Ditzel)):
>
>
>+ The champion gets a rematch in the event he loses. This happened in
> Botvinnik-Tal World Championship matches (again two Soviet chess
> players). First Tal defeated Botvinnik , Botvinnik got his rematch
> a year later and defeated Tal. First I think the fact that in this
> case were Botvinnik defeats Tal in the rematch suggests that Tal was
> not stronger than Botvinnik and Tal didn't deserve the world champion-
> ship. So basically the champion has a second try, why not!
> 1) it should make for more exciting chess - as it did in both Tal-
> Botvinnik matches, and 2) the world champion is given a chance to
> redeem his previous performance.
>
Why not make the challenger have also another chance? And the champion
yet another ... and another ... I think it's ridiculously close to the
"Fights of the Century" we get from the heavyweights every few months. Either
the match is "decisive" (even a tie is) or is not. I think that the champion
has enough ways to redeem himself of a bad performance: for instance, the loser
gets seeded far up in the next round, so he'll get a second chance (not for
free) in very short order.
>+ Finally the last point made in the previous article about the
> changes made in Tunisia regarding one large tournament. I tend to
> agree that it makes things easier for the Soviet players...however
> I don't think you will see easy draws between them as this cuts in-
> to their point totals. There are some very strong players who will
> NOT take easy draws and who have good chances and are not Soviet GMs.
> Yasser Seirawan has defeated Karpov, Spassky, Larsen, Korchnoi...need
> i say more...? If the soviets draw against each other and fall to
> Yasser or some of the other strong players their chances are lessened.
> The idea of a the current tournament is not easy on the players but
> I tend to like it...I view it as another Interzonal, only among the
> world championship candidates.
>
Although the collusion theory is more Fischer-derived paranoia than
substance, I feel that you are missing the point here. A tournament with
only *3* players is not a "large" tournament. If players {A, B}
fix things among themselves to exclude player C, they may go to a more
drastic algorithm than just drawing: B plays to lose his 2 games with A,
then goes for at least half a point on C. Not that C cannot pass through
if he's better than both of {A, B}, but now is harder: two draws with black
and he may be out. Think of it as if {A, B} were a single player that
starts with a half point advantage over C, in spite that A, B and C are roughly
equally strong.
Enough for now.
--
Cesar Augusto Quiroz Gonzalez
Department of Computer Science {allegra|seismo}!rochester!quiroz
University of Rochester or
Rochester, NY 14627 quiroz@ROCHESTER
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Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site rochester.UUCP Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!ucbvax!ucdavis!lll-crg!gymble!umcp-cs!seismo!rochester!quiroz From: quiroz@rochester.UUCP (Cesar Quiroz) Newsgroups: net.games.chess Subject: Re: Re : Rigged World Championship Message-ID: <11626@rochester.UUCP> Date: Fri, 13-Sep-85 16:32:24 EDT Article-I.D.: rocheste.11626 Posted: Fri Sep 13 16:32:24 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 16-Sep-85 00:03:11 EDT References: <369@ssc-bee.UUCP> Reply-To: quiroz@rochester.UUCP (Cesar Quiroz) Distribution: net Organization: U. of Rochester, CS Dept. Lines: 69