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	"Okay, i think that eating nymphs and lepies might be good for
	me, but..  How can one possibly kill them?  Lepies always steal
	my gold, and i'm lucky if a nymphs doesn't seduce me a steals
	only one item."

When stalking a lep, leave your gold behind.  If you're not carrying
gold and you're not standing on gold, it won't teleport away from the
fight.

Nymphs are much harder.  A wand of cancellation will remove their
ability to seduce you, but they'll still often teleport away from a
fight.  I use up my wands on these critters, or genocide them.  If a
nymph takes something you've GOT to have (like your elven cloak), be
sure you've eaten a floating eye, then quaff a potion of blindness;
this will let you see the nymph wherever it is and you can run it down.
Even stripped naked, a strong character can defeat a nymph bare-handed
and retrieve the stolen goods; the danger here is from other wandering
monsters who catch you with your armor down.

  -=- Andrew Klossner   (decvax!tektronix!tekecs!andrew)       [UUCP]
                        (tekecs!andrew.tektronix@csnet-relay)  [ARPA]

I've yet to make it past five levels with a faithful dog at my side.  
Sometimes it's just inconvenient to keep him, especially if you have
a dead Nymph or Leppie in your gut, because you keep teleporting away
from him.  Getting him to follow you successfully to the stairs without
one of those turbo-whistles is a little much to ask of the poor bugger.
But even if I'm not randomly popping around, I always find out that 
he's gone too long without food when it's too late, and he's chewing
on my ankles.

I've seen the message 'You feel worried about your dog' on occasion, 
but usually after the damage is done.

Is there some control character that I don't know about to check on your
dog's present state of hunger?  If not, does someone have any handy
rule of thumb to feed him?  Does he like food rations?  Is he getting
enough vitamin B12 in his tripe ration?

Perhaps even more important, after I've past the first few levels and
have 30-40 hit points to play with, do I really need him?  (Sorry if
that sounds heartless...)  I've heard rumors about taming a dog to rip
off a shop, but in all the games I've played, I've found a grand total
of ONE scroll of taming (and that was long after my dog starved).

--pat traynor--
arpa-=> ptraynor@bbncc7.arpa


ptraynor, didn't you forget to feed your dog?  --more--


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In article <76@druhi.UUCP> deg@druhi.UUCP (GillespieD) writes:
>
>Okay, i think that eating nymphs and lepies might be good for me, but..
>
>How can one possibly kill them?  Lepies always steal my gold, and i'm lucky
>if a nymphs doesn't seduce me a steals only one item.


The way *I* take care of those scumbag LEPRECHAUNS (I like to call them
Lepers - please don't flame about this (not intentionally harmful)
nickname) is when I find them [usually they are stationary] I go to a
remote room, drop all my gold (d$), and go back and wail on them! You
can usually go up one or two experience by killing them, although they
are hardy creatures. To give you an idea of their worth, I once brought
a caveman up to level 6 only on the first level of the dungeon, thanks
to them lepers. Nymphs - i have no advice. maybe throw things at them?

--Erik

> 
> Okay, i think that eating nymphs and lepies might be good for me, but..
> 
> How can one possibly kill them?  Lepies always steal my gold, and i'm lucky
> if a nymphs doesn't seduce me a steals only one item.

I usually wait until my wands are identified, and then blast them from
afar. If you don't have any gold and you hit a leprechaun, it will stay and
fight. You can also etch and let your dog kill the leprechaun (it will take
a little time) but then the dog might eat the leprechaun before you get to it.
You have to be careful, Lepies have a lot of hit points (that's why your level
rises so dramatically when you kill one early) and they teleport around you when
fighting.

I use to kill them by engraving Elbereth with my bare hands
and kill them with my bow and arrows.

In article <1790@orca.UUCP> andrew@orca.UUCP (Andrew Klossner) writes:
>
>	"Okay, i think that eating nymphs and lepies might be good for
>	me, but..  How can one possibly kill them?  Lepies always steal
>	my gold, and i'm lucky if a nymphs doesn't seduce me a steals
>	only one item."
>
>When stalking a lep, leave your gold behind.  If you're not carrying
>gold and you're not standing on gold, it won't teleport away from the
>fight.

Not bad advice, but what characters are you playing?  An easier strategy
if you are playing a Caveman is: E- (engrave empty-handed) "Elbereth".
Then, since cavemen are usually equipped with a quantum of arrows, weild
your bow, and fire away.

And, of course, if you have a crossbow and bolts, or some rocks (even)
simply follow the same strategy, and let him have it.

>Nymphs are much harder.  A wand of cancellation will remove their
>ability to seduce you, but they'll still often teleport away from a
>fight.  I use up my wands on these critters, or genocide them.  If a
>nymph takes something you've GOT to have (like your elven cloak), be
>sure you've eaten a floating eye, then quaff a potion of blindness;
>this will let you see the nymph wherever it is and you can run it down.
>Even stripped naked, a strong character can defeat a nymph bare-handed
>and retrieve the stolen goods; the danger here is from other wandering
>monsters who catch you with your armor down.
>

Well, I usually follow the same strategy with nymphs, but a ring of
adornment does wonders.  Also, they don't make very good theives if
they are blinded (tourist).  Using your wands on something this "low"
is really something I would consider a waste.  I mean, use all of 
your magic on something that deserves it...like dragons, cockatrices...
 


"Who let this clown in here anyway?"

In article <105@bbnccv.UUCP> ptraynor@bbnccv.UUCP (Patrick Traynor) writes:
>I've seen the message 'You feel worried about your dog' on occasion, 

This means that doggie is REALLY hungry, but you only get this message
when doggie is not in sight.
>
>Is there some control character that I don't know about to check on your
>dog's present state of hunger?  If not, does someone have any handy
>rule of thumb to feed him?  Does he like food rations?  Is he getting
>enough vitamin B12 in his tripe ration?
>
I don't know of any such commands, nor do I think one exists.
Generally, I try to feed it some of the dead monsters that's acceptable
to a dog's palate but not a human's, e.g. bats, orcs etc.  If I got
more than, say, 3 tripe rations I'll give one as a treat.  Also I let it
munch on edible corpses when I am "Satiated".  Note that if a dog is tame
it will not eat food rations.

>Perhaps even more important, after I've past the first few levels and
>have 30-40 hit points to play with, do I really need him?  (Sorry if
>that sounds heartless...)  

As doggie eats, it grows.  When it is a large it does help when you
are fronted with say a flock of orcs.  But don't let it fight a swarm
of bees because the poison can kill it quite quickly.

>I've heard rumors about taming a dog to rip
>off a shop, but in all the games I've played, I've found a grand total
>of ONE scroll of taming (and that was long after my dog starved).
>
The dog you start out with is ALWAYS tame.  What the rumor means is that
if you treat it nicely (i.e. keep it well fed) it will follow you into
a shop and take something out of it (one thing at a time).
A scroll of taming works on MONSTERS.  If you read one, all monsters in the
room will be tamed.  *THEN*, if you throw some <food> at it, you will see
"The <monster> devours the <food>." and it will fight FOR you.
If you go up/down a level without your dog, if you go back to the level
the dog will become confused and will perhaps bite you, and you have to
feed it to regain its 'respect'.

-- 
Henry Chai 
Faculty of Library and Information Science, U of Toronto
{watmath,ihnp4,allegra}!utzoo!utflis!chai        

On leppies and Elbereth :-

>In article <1790@orca.UUCP> andrew@orca.UUCP (Andrew Klossner) writes:
>
>Not bad advice, but what characters are you playing?  An easier strategy
>if you are playing a Caveman is: E- (engrave empty-handed) "Elbereth".
>Then, since cavemen are usually equipped with a quantum of arrows, weild
>your bow, and fire away.
>
>And, of course, if you have a crossbow and bolts, or some rocks (even)
>simply follow the same strategy, and let him have it.
> 
If you try that with version 10.3 you'll end up very broke.  Throwing an
article has the same effect as moving ie no more protection. To my mind this
has vastly reduced the pension prospects of speliologists in particular.


Regards
  Derek

!seismo!mcvax!ukc!stc!dbmk1

I've heard that re-incarnation is making a come-back.

<Well, I usually follow the same strategy with nymphs, but a ring of
<adornment does wonders.  Also, they don't make very good theives if
<they are blinded (tourist).  Using your wands on something this "low"
<is really something I would consider a waste.  I mean, use all of 
<your magic on something that deserves it...like dragons, cockatrices...
 
   I have never had any luck with rings of adornment. WHat do you do
   with them? I have tried wearing them, but nymphs still rob me blind.
   Do you wield it??

In article <98300002@hpisli.UUCP> jayj@hpisla.UUCP (Jay Johannes) writes:
<>
<><Well, I usually follow the same strategy with nymphs, but a ring of
<><adornment does wonders.  Also, they don't make very good theives if
<><they are blinded (tourist).  Using your wands on something this "low"
<><is really something I would consider a waste.  I mean, use all of 
<><your magic on something that deserves it...like dragons, cockatrices...
<> 
<>   I have never had any luck with rings of adornment. WHat do you do
<>   with them? I have tried wearing them, but nymphs still rob me blind.
<>   Do you wield it??
 
 
         yes.








"Who let this clown in here, anyway?"

> 
> <Well, I usually follow the same strategy with nymphs, but a ring of
> <adornment does wonders.  Also, they don't make very good theives if
> <they are blinded (tourist).  Using your wands on something this "low"
> <is really something I would consider a waste.  I mean, use all of 
> <your magic on something that deserves it...like dragons, cockatrices...
>  
>    I have never had any luck with rings of adornment. WHat do you do
>    with them? I have tried wearing them, but nymphs still rob me blind.
>    Do you wield it??

A ring of adornment has no effect on a nymph.

I'm new to playing hack and I was wondering if anyone has any good
hints or informations that will help me get my characters past the 
first couple levels. Some questions below, in particular.

   How do you keep a Wizard alive, while amassing ExpPts by killing
     monsters without using up all charges in wands, especially before
     even knowing what the wand type?

   Do you get ExpPts for creatures your dog kills? How do you give
     your dog a tripe ration? How to you tame a dog? Avoid running
     into him?

   What character is best for a new player? What are the REAL advantages
     of each character class?

   How strong are the various monsters (i.e. HP)? How many ExpPts
     for killing one?

These are just a sample of some questions. I would appreciate any help
I could get so that my character has a chance to get a respectable score
and get past level 3 and Experience Level 3. Thanks.

					Scott A. Stewart
					LMSC - Sunnyvale
 

In article <1944@bmcg.UUCP> bobn@bmcg.UUCP (Bob Nebert) writes:
>> 
>> <Well, I usually follow the same strategy with nymphs, but a ring of
>> <adornment does wonders.  Also, they don't make very good theives if
>> <they are blinded (tourist).  Using your wands on something this "low"
>> <is really something I would consider a waste.  I mean, use all of 
>> <your magic on something that deserves it...like dragons, cockatrices...
>>  
>>    I have never had any luck with rings of adornment. WHat do you do
>>    with them? I have tried wearing them, but nymphs still rob me blind.
>>    Do you wield it??
>
>A ring of adornment has no effect on a nymph.

Care to explain the message I got...?
 
"The Nymph is bedazzled by your ring."


This one ought to be good....

I have successfully used the ring of adornment against a nymph only
once, while playing PC Hack, adapted from 1.0.1.
I put it on my right hand, and when the nymph later tried to seduce
me, I got a message like "The plain nymph tries to seduce you,
but you don't seem interested."
(Normally, you get "The beautiful nymph seduces you and starts taking off
your armor.")
Curiously, when I once put the ring on my left hand,
the nymph still robbed me blind.
However, that time, I put the ring on just as it was about to attack.
Perhaps that was the problem, not the left hand.

It seems to me, Mr. Wong, that you have missed at least part of the point of
the game. Exploring options and discovering the relative strengths and weakness-
es of various creatures in the HACK environment was designed to be a part of   
the challenge! 

Here's a hint though: You don't get somethin' fer nothin'

Here's another: Be nice to the shopkeepers *heheh*

			     skippin' o'er th' timelines ag'in
			     the ever-present whisper spirit

"... where ever you go; there you are !"  >>> Buckaroo Banzai

In article <652@leadsv.UUCP> sas@leadsv.UUCP (Scott Stewart) writes:
>I'm new to playing hack and I was wondering if anyone has any good
>hints or informations that will help me get my characters past the 
>first couple levels. Some questions below, in particular.
>
>   How do you keep a Wizard alive, while amassing ExpPts by killing
>     monsters without using up all charges in wands, especially before
>     even knowing what the wand type?

Keeping a Wizard alive is tough, but not quite as tough as a Tourist or
Speleologist.  You should want to test your wands anyway.  Or if you
find a scroll of identify...

>
>   Do you get ExpPts for creatures your dog kills? How do you give
>     your dog a tripe ration? How to you tame a dog? Avoid running
>     into him?

Yes, you get experience points for killing your dog.  He is a monster just
like the rest of them.  But you also *lose* luck points.  And if you eat
him, it acts like a ring of aggravate monster that you can never take off...
>
>   What character is best for a new player? What are the REAL advantages
>     of each character class?

I would syggest the Caveman, for his brute strength and high strength points.

>
>   How strong are the various monsters (i.e. HP)? How many ExpPts
>     for killing one?

	 can only suggest HACKHINTS for this one.  Ask around, I am sure
someone will give you a copy.
--nadya

In article <4310001@csd2.UUCP> lanin@csd2.UUCP (Vladimir Lanin) writes:
>I have successfully used the ring of adornment against a nymph only
>once, while playing PC Hack, adapted from 1.0.1.
>I put it on my right hand, and when the nymph later tried to seduce
>me, I got a message like "The plain nymph tries to seduce you,
>but you don't seem interested."


     I think its a variable, whether or not a ring works.  First time I heard
about the ring of adornment bit, I wore it, and the slime stole a scroll of
enchant weapon. Would have come in handy if i had found a worm tooth.  So
next time I had one, I wielded it, and she was "dazzled by the ring of adorn-
ment" and I slew her. 

     A few days later, it happened again, but no such luck.  I think its 
like the same chances should a homunculus put you to sleep or a gelatinous
cube freezing you, etc.  So try it, but the chances are if you have anything
valuable you really need, Murphy's Law becomes part of the source code.

     By the way. Nymphs are pains in the groin, but I got a little more
respect for them after I read a scroll of punishment--and she took the
ball and chain!

                                       --Ross


-- 
                                   ----------------------------------------------
                                           Ross Jacobs
                                    {ihnp4,decvax,linus}!dartvax!rossj
                                      ARPA:  rossj%dartmouth@csnet-relay
                                     CSNET:  rossj@dartmouth

     Sure enough, I killed the Wizard and was able to get the amulet. But
I found that I could not wear the amulet, nor could I discern any magical
or useful purpose.  Can anyone out there tell me if the Amulet is useful
for anything except as a prize?

Andrew Fine

In article <3725@dartvax.UUCP> rossj@dartvax.UUCP (Ross Jacobs) writes:
>     I think its a variable, whether or not a ring works.  First time I heard
>about the ring of adornment bit, I wore it, and the slime stole a scroll of
>enchant weapon. Would have come in handy if i had found a worm tooth.  So
>next time I had one, I wielded it, and she was "dazzled by the ring of adorn-
>ment" and I slew her. 
>
This is very interesting.  I grepped thru all the hack 1.0.2 and 1.0.3
source files that we have but I can't find the word "dazzle".
Grepping on the word "adornment" (neglecting case) reaveals that while 
the ring is defined, it's never used in the code.
Does that mean the ring of adornment works in some versions but not all?
Strange ....

-- 
Henry Chai, just a humble student at the 
Faculty of Library and Information Science, U of Toronto
{watmath,ihnp4,allegra}!utzoo!utflis!chai        

> In article <652@leadsv.UUCP> sas@leadsv.UUCP (Scott Stewart) writes:
> 	 can only suggest HACKHINTS for this one.  Ask around, I am sure
> someone will give you a copy.
> --nadya
> 
> 
	Why not post them yourself.  I am sure that there are others
that would like to see them also.  And if you don't have them then maybe
someone who does will post them.


From inside the Tesseract of
	Clancy Malloy
	(ihnp4!ihlpa!freak)

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