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>    Here's a question, what's the first thing you would use a scroll
> of genocide on?  What else would you kill if you had more than one?
> 
> 	-ed falk

Usually the first thing to go are cockatrices.  If I have real good armor
(<0), including gloves, and good strength (18+), I would rather risk
having them around, since they make such good weapons.  This is especially
true if I have some wands or lots of throwing weapons that I can use to
get them relatively safely.

After c's, I get rid of xans.  (I used to get rid of k's, but they
really aren't too much of a problem now that I figured out that I should
rest while fighting them off.  I can usually get into a good defensive
position and get them all easily.)  Xans are a real nuisance since they
are so good at hitting.  Of course royal jelly helps, but I'd rather not
lug it all around just to help cope with them.

If I don't have a ring of fire resistance, I get rid of dragons next.  They
are too hard to deal with otherwise.  At least I don't know a good strategy
for dealing with them.  (Without a scroll of taming, of course :-).)

Following them, I'd like to get rid of trappers and lurkers, but I can't.
(Hack 1.0.2).  The only swallowing monster I can get rid of (and do -- one
game I found three scrolls of genocide, without wishing!) is purple worms.

After that, I don't think I would genocide anything else.  It would take
too much fun out of things.

By the way, orcs rob shops!

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In article <158@nbs-amrf.UUCP> hopp@nbs-amrf.UUCP (Ted Hopp) writes:
>>    Here's a question, what's the first thing you would use a scroll
>> of genocide on?  What else would you kill if you had more than one?
>> 
>> 	-ed falk
>
The author suggests genociding c's and x's first.  I concur, but I do it
in the reverse order.  There, our philosophies diverge.
>
>If I don't have a ring of fire resistance, I get rid of dragons next.  They
>are too hard to deal with otherwise.  At least I don't know a good strategy
>for dealing with them.  (Without a scroll of taming, of course :-).)
>
Not me -- Dragon corpses are too valuable.  The way to deal with a dragon
is to maneuver until you're at a corner of a hallway, with the D on a
diagonal.  (Like so:

		#
		D
		#@##
)
Usually, in such a position, a Dragon will forget about breathing fire
(notice I said USUALLY.  There are always exceptions...) and just pound
you.  Dragons are pretty heavy hitters, but they can be dealt with.
And eating the corpse makes you intrinsically fireproof, so you don't
have to burn food wearing that ring of fire resistance while marching
around hell. But... (Spoiler alert...) I discovered by accident the 
other day that you really don't need to wear the ring around all the
time... only when you first enter Hell, and when you climb stairs.
(I think the last part is true, but I didn't verify it empirically.)
I found out by eating a tin of salmon while down there -- my hands
got slippery and my rings fell off...Anyway, once you're fireproof,
dragons are fun -- you can use them to kill off other monsters, etc.

>After that, I don't think I would genocide anything else.  It would take
>too much fun out of things.
>
Agreed.  Except in place of Dragons, I put V's.  Nasty bloodsuckers.  
And if I have an abundance of genocides, I take out A's.

Lewis Barnett,CS Dept, Painter Hall 3.28, Univ. of Texas, Austin, TX 78712

"Frankly, there's something about reality that gives me the shivering willies!"
						-- Hank the Hallucination --

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In article <775@im4u.UUCP>, barnett@im4u.UUCP (Lewis Barnett) writes:
> around hell. But... (Spoiler alert...) I discovered by accident the 
> other day that you really don't need to wear the ring around all the
> time... only when you first enter Hell, and when you climb stairs.
> (I think the last part is true, but I didn't verify it empirically.)
> I found out by eating a tin of salmon while down there -- my hands
> got slippery and my rings fell off...Anyway, once you're fireproof,
> dragons are fun -- you can use them to kill off other monsters, etc.

	In 1.0.3 this is NOT true.  I wanted to see if hack kept track
of such things so I 'R'emoved my ring of fire resistance around level 29
(coming up, no less) and immediately I was burnt to a cinder with the
appropriate message that appears.  What is described above sounds like
a bug since the necessary checks are not done to determine if you burn
or not.  (The above description does not make clear whether he had eaten
a dragon as well.  If he did, that would account for surviving.)

Joe Barone,	{allegra, decvax!brunix, linus, ccice5}!rayssd!m1b
Raytheon Co,	Submarine Signal Div., 1847 West Main Rd, Portsmouth, RI 02871

In article <775@im4u.UUCP> barnett@im4u.UUCP (Lewis Barnett) writes:
>around hell. But... (Spoiler alert...) I discovered by accident the 
>other day that you really don't need to wear the ring around all the
>time... only when you first enter Hell, and when you climb stairs.
>(I think the last part is true, but I didn't verify it empirically.)
>I found out by eating a tin of salmon while down there -- my hands
>got slippery and my rings fell off...Anyway, once you're fireproof,

Not quite true, if you *take* the ring off you will get killed.
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In article <2014@rayssd.UUCP> m1b@rayssd.UUCP (M. Joseph Barone) writes:
>
>In article <775@im4u.UUCP>, barnett@im4u.UUCP (Lewis Barnett) writes:
>> around hell. But... (Spoiler alert...) I discovered by accident the 
>> other day that you really don't need to wear the ring around all the
>> time... only when you first enter Hell, and when you climb stairs.
>
>	In 1.0.3 this is NOT true.  I wanted to see if hack kept track
>of such things so I 'R'emoved my ring of fire resistance around level 29
>(coming up, no less) and immediately I was burnt to a cinder with the
>appropriate message that appears.  What is described above sounds like
>a bug since the necessary checks are not done to determine if you burn
>or not.  (The above description does not make clear whether he had eaten
>a dragon as well.  If he did, that would account for surviving.)
>
>Joe Barone,	{allegra, decvax!brunix, linus, ccice5}!rayssd!m1b
>Raytheon Co,	Submarine Signal Div., 1847 West Main Rd, Portsmouth, RI 02871

I should have specified that I was talking about Hack 1.0.2.  I suppose
it is a bug, now that you mention it -- and I hadn't eaten a dragon in
that particular game.

Here's another question:  I was playing that game as a Fighter, and I had
killed several dragons (perhaps as many as 5 or 6), but none left corpses.
I finally did get a corpse, but D corpses seemed unusually scarce in the
game.  I'm always suspecting intelligent behavior behind what I know must
just be the vagaries of the random number generator in this game, but is
there any basis for the suspicion that Fighters don't see D corpses with
the same probability that other characters do?

Lewis Barnett,CS Dept, Painter Hall 3.28, Univ. of Texas, Austin, TX 78712

"Frankly, there's something about reality that gives me the shivering willies!"
						-- Hank the Hallucination --

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In article <2014@rayssd.UUCP> m1b@rayssd.UUCP (M. Joseph Barone) writes:
>
>In article <775@im4u.UUCP>, barnett@im4u.UUCP (Lewis Barnett) writes:
>> around hell. But... (Spoiler alert...) I discovered by accident the 
>> other day that you really don't need to wear the ring around all the
>> time... only when you first enter Hell, and when you climb stairs.
>> (I think the last part is true, but I didn't verify it empirically.)
>> I found out by eating a tin of salmon while down there -- my hands
>> got slippery and my rings fell off...Anyway, once you're fireproof,
>> dragons are fun -- you can use them to kill off other monsters, etc.
>
>	In 1.0.3 this is NOT true.  I wanted to see if hack kept track
>of such things so I 'R'emoved my ring of fire resistance around level 29
>(coming up, no less) and immediately I was burnt to a cinder ( ... )

On 1.0.2 I did the same thing and got the same results:
'The fires of hell burn you to a crisp'  [r.i.p.]
Lewis, I think you must have eaten a dragon corpse and then forgot.  I
know how easy it is to forget that I HAVEN'T eaten one and then go to the
center of the earth. (I hate it when that happens...)

--pat traynor--

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I was playing 'hack' the other day when I was about to starve to death.
I went into a shop and steped on a food ration.  I was too weak to 
pick up the food ration so I ate it off the floor.  I went to the
entrance of the shop and paid the shopkeeper but it said "You don't owe
<shop keepers name> anything."  I thought this was strange so I ate 
another food ration off the floor and the same happened again.

This is an older version of hack.  The one where you can unweild cursed
objects by writing on the floor.  Has anybody run into this before?

Tim

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In article <3259@sun.uucp> falk@sun.uucp (Ed Falk) writes:
>
>   Here's a question, what's the first thing you would use a scroll
>of genocide on?  What else would you kill if you had more than one?
>

First I would kill the Nymphs, then I would kill the damn Orcs, the billyuns
& billyuns of Orcs...


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I kill of xans, usually. Orcs are cannon fodder and real good doggie food; 
cockatrices can be useful, but xans always get me when i'm down...

josh gordon

In article <161@bucsb.UUCP> dino@bucsb.UUCP (T.H.) writes:
>I was playing 'hack' the other day when I was about to starve to death.
>I went into a shop and steped on a food ration.  I was too weak to 
>pick up the food ration so I ate it off the floor.  I went to the
>entrance of the shop and paid the shopkeeper but it said "You don't owe
><shop keepers name> anything."  I thought this was strange so I ate 
>another food ration off the floor and the same happened again.

That's in the newest version (1.0.3) as well.  Think of it as a feature.
You can eat things even when you can't pick them up; without this feature
it would be very difficult to eat dragon corpses.  It's something
the shopkeeper doesn't catch.  He also doesn't charge you for what the dog
eats.



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This sentence is false.

> In article <161@bucsb.UUCP> dino@bucsb.UUCP (T.H.) writes:
> >I was playing 'hack' the other day when I was about to starve to death.
> >I went into a shop and steped on a food ration.  I was too weak to 
> >pick up the food ration so I ate it off the floor.  I went to the
> >entrance of the shop and paid the shopkeeper but it said "You don't owe
> ><shop keepers name> anything."  I thought this was strange so I ate 
> >another food ration off the floor and the same happened again.
> 
> That's in the newest version (1.0.3) as well.  Think of it as a feature.
> You can eat things even when you can't pick them up; without this feature
> it would be very difficult to eat dragon corpses.  It's something
> the shopkeeper doesn't catch.  He also doesn't charge you for what the dog
> eats.
I'm surprised to hear someone say the shopkeeper doesn't charge you for what
the dog eats...I've been killed when the dog started eating tripe rations.
(the shopkeeper gets angry).  My question is how do you go about eating off
the floor?  Please be specific, and send the information to the below address.
Thanx much.

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In article <161@bucsb.UUCP> dino@bucsb.UUCP (T.H.) writes:
> >I was playing 'hack' the other day when I was about to starve to death.
> >I went into a shop and steped on a food ration.  I was too weak to 
> >pick up the food ration so I ate it off the floor.  I went to the
> >entrance of the shop and paid the shopkeeper but it said "You don't owe
> ><shop keepers name> anything."  I thought this was strange so I ate 
> >another food ration off the floor and the same happened again.
> 
> That's in the newest version (1.0.3) as well.  Think of it as a feature.
> You can eat things even when you can't pick them up; without this feature
> it would be very difficult to eat dragon corpses.  It's something
> the shopkeeper doesn't catch.  He also doesn't charge you for what the dog
> eats.

The "you don't owe anything" message must have come because you were
holding no other food rations. In a recent game, I tried it and the
following happened... I ate one food ration off his floor, but was
holding 4 (already paid for- I had them when I came in). He charged me for
the four I was holding.

This is in PC-Hack 1.0.3. (an early version).

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I found a wand of wishing in a shop I had just looted and teleported out of.
When I used it I had four wishes.

1) I wished for '3 wands of polymorth' - I got one wand of fire;
2) I wished for 'a +5 crysknife' - I got a cursed (-1) crysknife;
3) I wished for 'a +4 leather armor' - I got a +0 leather armor;
4) I wished for '3 scrolls of genocide' - I got a scroll of bad armor;

Any ideas? I was very inexperience (ie level 5) does this have a bearing on
it. I've use wishing wands before and they've worked (most of the time). Or
are there such things as dud wands of wishing?

                    stephen bull



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In article <199@onion.cs.reading.UUCP>, bull@onion.cs.reading.UUCP (Stephen) writes:
> 1) I wished for '3 wands of polymorth' - I got one wand of fire;
> 2) I wished for 'a +5 crysknife' - I got a cursed (-1) crysknife;
> 3) I wished for 'a +4 leather armor' - I got a +0 leather armor;
> 4) I wished for '3 scrolls of genocide' - I got a scroll of bad armor;

You can't wish for anything over 3.  that is, wishing for +5 crysknife
gives you a cursed crysknife.  if it *is* three that you are wishing
for, there is a random chance that you won't get what you want. safest 
best is to wish for +2 stuff.  or, 2 scrolls of...  etc.

Never wish for wands.

Also, not many people know the power of empty wands.  If you've been using
a wand and it is now empty, just keep zapping it until it "wrests one more
spell out of the worn out wand."  If you like, Elbereth will keep you safe
while you do this.

> 1) I wished for '3 wands of polymorth' - I got one wand of fire;
> 2) I wished for 'a +5 crysknife' - I got a cursed (-1) crysknife;
> 3) I wished for 'a +4 leather armor' - I got a +0 leather armor;
> 4) I wished for '3 scrolls of genocide' - I got a scroll of bad armor;

Someone has probably already answered this, and I'm sure many others will
after me, but here goes.

Wishing for "+" anything or more than one of something will only result
in your receiving one of the item, usually +0 but sometimes cursed.
This happened in 2) and 3) above.  In 1) the program couldn't find any
item in your wish, i.e. "wands of polymorph" is not an item, but
"wand of polymorph" is.  In 4), the same thing happened, you wished
for "3 scrolls of genocide". The "3" wouldn't have mattered, had you
spelled it "3 scroll of genocide".  I believe that even something
like this "adjakfjalkfaf ring of teleport control adf:lkjkjflkdjf" would
net you a ring of teleport control.  Remember, you can only wish for
one item, and you must spell it the exact way it would be given had
you identified it.
   Mike

In article <199@onion.cs.reading.UUCP> bull@onion.UUCP (Stephen) writes:
>I found a wand of wishing in a shop I had just looted and teleported out of.
>When I used it I had four wishes.
>1) I wished for '3 wands of polymorth' - I got one wand of fire;
If you spell it wrong, you get the wrong thing.  "polymorph"
>2) I wished for 'a +5 crysknife' - I got a cursed (-1) crysknife;
Maximum enchantment on things is (I believe) +3.  Could be your game
doesn't want you making extravagant wishes.
>3) I wished for 'a +4 leather armor' - I got a +0 leather armor;
Again, the +3 maximum.  At +4 it cycles round to zero again.
>4) I wished for '3 scrolls of genocide' - I got a scroll of bad armor;
You must've spelled genocide wrong, or perhaps the wand is programmed
to say "pppphhhhhhrrrrttt" when you want to kill everything in existence.
							Carl Greenberg

> In article <199@onion.cs.reading.UUCP>, bull@onion.cs.reading.UUCP (Stephen) writes:
> > 1) I wished for '3 wands of polymorth' - I got one wand of fire;
> > 2) I wished for 'a +5 crysknife' - I got a cursed (-1) crysknife;
> > 3) I wished for 'a +4 leather armor' - I got a +0 leather armor;
> > 4) I wished for '3 scrolls of genocide' - I got a scroll of bad armor;
> 
> You can't wish for anything over 3.  that is, wishing for +5 crysknife
> gives you a cursed crysknife.  if it *is* three that you are wishing
> for, there is a random chance that you won't get what you want. safest 
> best is to wish for +2 stuff.  or, 2 scrolls of...  etc.

I agree about not wishing for more than 3, but item (4) seems strange; is
it bad luck?  That's what I would have assumed, but I'm no source reader.

 
> Never wish for wands.
I disagree; I never get more than one at a time, but its a great time to get a wand of polymorph, and the more you have, the more you get.
Finding a big cane shop spells "p-a-r-t-y" to me.

> 
> Also, not many people know the power of empty wands.  If you've been using
> a wand and it is now empty, just keep zapping it until it "wrests one more
> spell out of the worn out wand."  If you like, Elbereth will keep you safe
> while you do this.

Absolutely!   But it takes up to 100+ zaps....

In article <1011@h-sc1.UUCP>, king@h-sc1.UUCP (jon king) writes:
> > 
> > Also, not many people know the power of empty wands.  If you've been using
> > a wand and it is now empty, just keep zapping it until it "wrests one more
> > spell out of the worn out wand."  If you like, Elbereth will keep you safe
> > while you do this.
> 
> Absolutely!   But it takes up to 100+ zaps....

 Not necessarily!!!!!   I have had games where I have wrested the last spell
with just 10 or 15 zaps several times!!

Also, your luck has MUCH to do with wishing for things. If your luck is too low
then you may wish for a +3 crysknife and get a -3 crysknife.
As long as I don't do anything to lower my luck I don't have ANY bad luck with
wands of wishing...except that sometimes the armor I wish for is cursed...but
is still +3!!
Also, if your luck is too low, when you wrest that last spell from a wand of wishing
it will say "Unfortunately, nothing happens"

I finally test my theory that you could escape the dungeon WITH the amulet after only
descending a few levels and then wishing for the Amulet and polymorphing from a
cheap, plastic imitation into the REAL thing!!  I did it and only descended to
level 5!!

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