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In article <113@oucs.UUCP>, joe@oucs.UUCP (Joseph Judge) writes:
> 
> 	I have been at this dang level for a while now & am ready for a 
> spoiler. I am at level 28 or 29 or so & it is a whole screen full of maze.
> I don't like mazes in the first place, but there is no visible exit down.
> I am pretty sure I searched the whole level.  
>      Any hints on how to descend farther ????
> Please hurry, my food is running out, I am getting bored, and I hate mazes!
> 
To descend into the further depths of Hack you must confuse yourself.  There
are several ways to do this and you probably already know them so I won't
list them here.  After you are confused, teleport, either ^T or wand or spell
will do.  You will then be asked to enter the level you wish to be teleported
to.  WARNING...  If you are playing 1.0.3 and you go to the lower levels
(AKA HELL) make sure you have a ring of fire resistance on or you have eaten
a dragon.  If you are not fire resistant you will be burned to a cinder.
If you are playing an earlier version the lower levels will also be mazes, but
each maze has another amulet.  Collect these for a REALLY hi score.


> 	Joseph "with the dog named 'a pig'" Judge
> 
> A pig just ate the dead lecrotta! A pig ate the tripe ration! etc, etc, etc...
> 
Cute!  Try naming your dog "the little prick".



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There is an interesting side effect of being confused.  When you are confused
and read a scroll the effect of the scroll is altered because you "misponounce
the words".  If you quaff a potion of confusion or booze and read a scroll of
teleportation it will teleport you to a random level, and if you are wearing a 
ring of teleport control at the time you will get to pick what level you want
to go to.  From the maze levels you will find that there is always a stairs up
but never one down, so in order to get the most out of my wands of wishing I
teleport down to level 39 (the lowest) and then walk up, otherwise I have found
that I tend to waste about 1/3 of my wishes on confusion potions and teleport
scrolls.  Be sure, though, that before you teleport down to level 39 you have
either eaten a dead dragon, or are wearing a ring of fire resistance, or you
will be burnt to a cinder.  In case you didn't know, there is a wand of wishing
hiding under a rock on every level of the maze, so one of the first things that
I wish for ( if I don't have it already) is a pick-axe to avoid carrying all
those wands of digging around.  Other useful things to wish for are a
+3 crysknife (make sure you spell it right) and a skeleton-key.

P.S.  I have a couple of questions for anyone on the net who would care to 
 reply.  Have you guys tried reading other scrolls while confused?  Have 
 you found any that were interesting?  I have tried confuse monster and
 fire, but neither had interesting effects.  Also, is it my imagination
 or can the Wizard teleport up and down levels, too.

                     
                     -   Ben Page  -
   
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In article <220@mrstve.UUCP>, mark@mrstve.UUCP (Mark Smith) writes:
> In article <113@oucs.UUCP>, joe@oucs.UUCP (Joseph Judge) writes:
> > 
> > I am at level 28 or 29 or so & it is a whole screen full of maze.

> To descend into the further depths of Hack you must confuse yourself.
Right.
> After you are confused, teleport, either ^T or wand or spell
> will do.
Wrong. 1.0.3 requires that you read a scroll.

		The Mad Englishman

In article <220@mrstve.UUCP> mark@mrstve.UUCP (Mark Smith) writes:
>To descend into the further depths of Hack you must confuse yourself.  There
>are several ways to do this and you probably already know them so I won't
>list them here.  After you are confused, teleport, either ^T or wand or spell
>will do.  You will then be asked to enter the level you wish to be teleported
>to.  

A couple of points here.  Using ^T to teleport while confused does not 
(in Hack 1.0.2) have the effect of sending you to some other level.
The only method of teleportation I have found which does this is reading
a scroll of teleportation.  As for the wand of teleportation, as far as
I know, that only works on *other* creatures, not the Hacker himself.
(Unless you can bounce it off the wall at yourself.  Anyone know if
this works?)  As mentioned in another response to the original message,
you also need a ring of teleport control to avoid winding up on some
randomly selected level and to get the question about what level you
want to go to.

Lewis Barnett,CS Dept, Painter Hall 3.28, Univ. of Texas, Austin, TX 78712

"Frankly, there's something about reality that gives me the shivering willies!"
						-- Hank the Hallucination --

-- barnett@im4u.UTEXAS.EDU, barnett@im4u.UUCP,
      {ihnp4,harvard,seismo,gatech,ctvax}!im4u!barnett

[]

	"Other useful things to wish for are a +3 crysknife (make sure
	you spell it right) and a skeleton-key."

Before a lot of hackers get very excited, then very frustrated ...

There is no skeleton key (with or without the hyphen) in hack version
1.0.3 as distributed.

  -=- Andrew Klossner   (decvax!tektronix!tekecs!andrew)       [UUCP]
                        (tekecs!andrew.tektronix@csnet-relay)  [ARPA]

In article <162@bucsb.UUCP> odin@bucsb.UUCP writes:
>*** JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT WAS SAFE TO POST TO THE NET . . . ***
>
>There is an interesting side effect of being confused.  When you are confused
>and read a scroll the effect of the scroll is altered because you "misponounce
>the words".  If you quaff a potion of confusion or booze and read a scroll of
>
> etc...
>
>P.S.  I have a couple of questions for anyone on the net who would care to 
> reply.  Have you guys tried reading other scrolls while confused?  Have 
> you found any that were interesting?  I have tried confuse monster and
> fire, but neither had interesting effects.  Also, is it my imagination
> or can the Wizard teleport up and down levels, too.

Yeah, reading a scroll of enhance armor/weapon when confused won't raise
your armor/weapon, but it will make it rust resistant (a la leather).
-- 
Rich Kuhns		{ihnp4, decvax, etc...}!pur-ee!pur-phy!mrstve!rjk

> P.S.  I have a couple of questions for anyone on the net who would care to 
>  reply.  Have you guys tried reading other scrolls while confused?  Have 
>  you found any that were interesting?  I have tried confuse monster and
>  fire, but neither had interesting effects.  Also, is it my imagination
>  or can the Wizard teleport up and down levels, too.
> 
>                      -   Ben Page  -

A scroll of enchant {armor,weapon} will make your {armor,weapon} corrosion
resistant if you read the scroll while confused.  Likewise, a scroll of
destroy armor or damage weapon will turn the item back to being
rustable (yech - what a word!) if read when confused.  Things I'm not
sure of: a scroll of detection (food/gold/objects/monsters) will give
nonsense detection if read while confused, and a scroll of mapping will
give you a partial map if read while confused.  (Does a scroll
of amnesia make you forget only part of the map?)

Neither a Wizard nor any other character can teleport between levels
as a talent.  Wizards can teleport at will when they reach experience
level 6 and other characters at experience level 10, given the proper
conditions (spoiler on request).  The only thing that triggers a
between-level teleport is a scroll of teleportation.  An interesting
adventure is to teleport to a negative level (-1 will do).

-- 

Ted Hopp	{seismo,umcp-cs}!nbs-amrf!hopp

In article <220@mrstve.UUCP> mark@mrstve.UUCP writes:
>To descend into the further depths of Hack you must confuse yourself.  There
>are several ways to do this and you probably already know them so I won't
>list them here.  After you are confused, teleport, either ^T or wand or spell
>will do.  You will then be asked to enter the level you wish to be teleported
>to.

Wrong!! I got caught out on this when I first attempted descending to the
lower maze levels.  You're right about getting confused but to teleport
through levels you must read a scroll of teleportation.  What happens is
that you mispronounce the magic words and alter the function of the scroll.
You must also be wearing a ring of teleport control if you wish to be
asked for the level to which you want to be teleported.

This is true for version 1.0.3.
-- 

Regards,
Bruce Munro.  <bruce@stc.UUCP>
{root44, ukc, datlog, idec, stl, creed, iclbra}!stc!bruce

In article <162@bucsb.UUCP> odin@bucsb.UUCP (Odin) writes:
>
>P.S.  I have a couple of questions for anyone on the net who would care to 
> reply.  Have you guys tried reading other scrolls while confused? 
>                     
>                     -   Ben Page  -
>   
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Ben, I tried replying to you via your arpa address and I got it back...

What's the deal?  This is (some of) what came back to me:


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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 86 11:28:59 EST
From: Pat Traynor <ptraynor@bbncc7.ARPA>
Subject: Reading scrolls while confused
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> +3 crysknife (make sure you spell it right) and a skeleton-key. 
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^

what dose that do ??

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Thanks for the tips on the other scrolls, but you seem to have a 
misapprehension as to the Wizard I was refering to .  It was not the
class, but the Wizard of Yendor.  I had just killed Cerberus, and I 
was all set to trash the wizard, but I couldn't find him anywhere on
the level, even after quaffing a potion of blindness, nor could I 
find the amulet.  Ascending to the 38th level I noticed the wizard
standing right next to me.  I got one blow in before he disappeared 
on me again.  I repeated this a couple of times before I got smart
and popped him one from a polymorph wand.  I found the amulet on his
body.  This has occured only that once (to me at least) and I wonder
whether it is a bug or a feature?
 
                     
                     -   Ben Page  -
   
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In article <163@bucsb.UUCP> odin@bucsb.UUCP (Odin) writes:
>I had just killed Cerberus, and I 
>was all set to trash the wizard, but I couldn't find him anywhere on
>the level, even after quaffing a potion of blindness, nor could I 
>find the amulet.  Ascending to the 38th level I noticed the wizard
>standing right next to me.  I got one blow in before he disappeared 
>on me again.  
>                     
>                     -   Ben Page  -
>   
This happened to me the first time I ever got that far, too.  Since then,
I always break into the vault from the right-hand side, so that I
deal with the wizard first.


Lewis Barnett,CS Dept, Painter Hall 3.28, Univ. of Texas, Austin, TX 78712

"Frankly, there's something about reality that gives me the shivering willies!"
						-- Hank the Hallucination --

-- barnett@im4u.UTEXAS.EDU, barnett@im4u.UUCP,
      {ihnp4,harvard,seismo,gatech,ctvax}!im4u!barnett

> level 6 and other characters at experience level 10, given the proper
> conditions (spoiler on request).  The only thing that triggers a
> between-level teleport is a scroll of teleportation.  An interesting
> 
     I drank the booze (tasted like liquid fire) and read the scroll of 
teleportation (you mispronounce the words) and was wearing the ring of
teleportation and POOF* I ended up at level 15!!!! no chance to tell it 
where to go.  Also my levels now (around level 25~29) are alternating
between mazes and regular levels (w/rooms) The only way to getpast the
maze levels is to go up to the regular one before it and fall through
a trapdoor (drops you 2 levels down)  
PROBLEM: 
     There are no trap doors in the regular level I am on now!!!!

(hey what's that proper condition for regylar player to teleport)
I'm about ready to give up and start over or a new game totally.

Bye for now,
		Joseph Judge

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>It was not the
>class, but the Wizard of Yendor.  I had just killed Cerberus, and I 
>was all set to trash the wizard, but I couldn't find him anywhere on
>the level, even after quaffing a potion of blindness, nor could I 
>find the amulet.  Ascending to the 38th level I noticed the wizard
>standing right next to me.  I got one blow in before he disappeared 
>on me again.  I repeated this a couple of times before I got smart
>and popped him one from a polymorph wand.  I found the amulet on his
>body.  This has occured only that once (to me at least) and I wonder
>whether it is a bug or a feature?

It seems if you take too long before knocking off the Wizard of Yendor,
he starts teleporting up levels - and you only get one hit on him each level.
The easy way is to defeat the wizard is throw a tripe ration to the hound
and start in on the Wizard.

I've had a few odd occurrences with the Wizard. 

One: I used a wand a fire to dry up some of the moat on the left side
of the 'vault'. I then opened up the wall in two adjacent places. As soon
as the Hound was in view I tamed him with a tripe ration. I let him hop around
a bit so he'd get out the way and I could go after the Wizard. He brought
me the Amulet!!! I grabbed it, and got the message: "You have an uncanny
feeling that someone is watching you." I proceeded to go after the Wizard
and trounced him. 

Two: I again went in the left end of the vault and tamed the Hound. As I
stepped up to the Wizard he "makes a gesture and curses." Then he hit me.
This happened a few more times. I killed him, but my luck was trashed.
Had to feed some some unicorns before I could use a wand of wishing again.
At least trying a wand of wishing when your luck is too low doesn't
waste a wish. What did I do to deserve this treatment?

Dave Fox
..!ptsfa!df

In article <176@nbs-amrf.UUCP> hopp@nbs-amrf.UUCP writes:
>> P.S.  I have a couple of questions for anyone on the net who would care to 
>>  reply.  Have you guys tried reading other scrolls while confused?  Have 
>> 
>>                      -   Ben Page  -
>
>A scroll of enchant {armor,weapon} will make your {armor,weapon} corrosion
>resistant if you read the scroll while confused.  Likewise, a scroll of
>destroy armor or damage weapon will turn the item back to being
>rustable (yech - what a word!) if read when confused.  Things I'm not
>sure of: a scroll of detection (food/gold/objects/monsters) will give
>nonsense detection if read while confused, and a scroll of mapping will
>give you a partial map if read while confused.  (Does a scroll
>of amnesia make you forget only part of the map?)
>

Some more: If you feel like experimenting: Try to read a genocide scroll
when you're confused, but don't do it in a game where everything is going
fine. A friend of mine read a create monster and got a room filled with acid
blobs.

> > level 6 and other characters at experience level 10, given the proper
> > conditions (spoiler on request).  The only thing that triggers a
> > between-level teleport is a scroll of teleportation.  An interesting
> > 
>      I drank the booze (tasted like liquid fire) and read the scroll of 
> teleportation (you mispronounce the words) and was wearing the ring of
> teleportation and POOF* I ended up at level 15!!!! no chance to tell it 
> where to go.

You have to be wearing a ring of teleport control to control where you go.
A ring of teleportation is useful for teleporting at will, but doesn't help
you at all in controlling where you go.

>	        Also my levels now (around level 25~29) are alternating
> between mazes and regular levels (w/rooms) The only way to getpast the
> maze levels is to go up to the regular one before it and fall through
> a trapdoor (drops you 2 levels down)  
> PROBLEM: 
>      There are no trap doors in the regular level I am on now!!!!

You can always create one with a wand of digging or a pick axe.  (Wish
for a pick axe if you have a wand of wishing and no wand of digging.)

> (hey what's that proper condition for regylar player to teleport)

You seem to have them -- experience, ring of teleportation, strength,
enough food in your belly.
-- 

Ted Hopp	{seismo,umcp-cs}!nbs-amrf!hopp