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Oops, I should've waited a bit longer before I post the last article,
because when I want down to the next level from the morgue level
ALL THE UNDEAD WERE THERE!  But I still don't know what happened.
There couldn't have been a trap door in the morgue that all of them
fall thru, could there???

-- 
"Some say that knowledge is something that you'll never have"
				    - "Sat in your Lap" Kate Bush
Henry Chai 
Faculty of Library and Information Science, U of Toronto
{watmath,ihnp4,allegra}!utzoo!utflis!chai        

In article <138@utflis.UUCP> chai@utflis.UUCP (Henry Chai) writes:

>
>2. Zoo : 
>   once I was lucky enuf to get a zoo.  Two Leppies were merrily
>   picking up the gold while I was fighting the other monsters.  However,
>   when i killed every one of them, there were no gold left behind by
>   the Leppies.  Where did all the $ go??
>

There must have been a dead monster on top of all the gold. I had the same
thing happen to me, I dropped all of my stuff, picked up a monster and lo
and behold found over 3000 pieces of gold.


>
>-- 
>"Some say that knowledge is something that you'll never have"
>				    - "Sat in your Lap" Kate Bush
>Henry Chai 
>Faculty of Library and Information Science, U of Toronto
>{watmath,ihnp4,allegra}!utzoo!utflis!chai        


-- 

Steve Grice
philabs!micomvax!steve

If you left a morgue (or Graveyard) after wakening any monster in it,
all of the monsters will wake up and start heading in your direction.

So if you returned to the room by a different route, the monsters may not have
had enough time to return.

Peter Barada
{ihnp4!inmet | harvard!ima}!pbear!peterb

> In article <138@utflis.UUCP> chai@utflis.UUCP (Henry Chai) writes:
> 
> >
> >2. Zoo : 
> >   once I was lucky enuf to get a zoo.  Two Leppies were merrily
> >   picking up the gold while I was fighting the other monsters.  However,
> >   when i killed every one of them, there were no gold left behind by
> >   the Leppies.  Where did all the $ go??
> >
> 
> There must have been a dead monster on top of all the gold. I had the same
> thing happen to me, I dropped all of my stuff, picked up a monster and lo
> and behold found over 3000 pieces of gold.
> 
> Steve Grice
> philabs!micomvax!steve

I think another possibility is that once the Leppies collected all
they wanted, they teleported out with their booty.  They do this 
under normal circumstances, so I don't see why they shouldn't do
it in a zoo.


Lewis Barnett,CS Dept, Painter Hall 3.28, Univ. of Texas, Austin, TX 78712

-- barnett@ut-sally.ARPA, barnett@ut-sally.UUCP,
      {ihnp4,harvard,seismo,gatech,ctvax}!ut-sally!barnett

> > >   once I was lucky enuf to get a zoo.  Two Leppies were merrily
> > >   picking up the gold while I was fighting the other monsters.  However,
> > >   when i killed every one of them, there were no gold left behind by
> > >   the Leppies.  Where did all the $ go??
> > >
> > There must have been a dead monster on top of all the gold. I had the same
> > thing happen to me, I dropped all of my stuff, picked up a monster and lo
> > and behold found over 3000 pieces of gold.
> > Steve Grice
> 
> I think another possibility is that once the Leppies collected all
> they wanted, they teleported out with their booty.  They do this 
> under normal circumstances, so I don't see why they shouldn't do
> it in a zoo.
> 
> Lewis Barnett
I tend to agree with Lewis - the gold went with the Leppies.
I recently caught a treasure zoo. (Put on my ring of conflict - great fun).
I was able to pick up all the gold in any pile, but the corpses and
other booty depended on my carrying ability - gold doesn't seem to affect that.
But I'm also still playing 1.0.1. Maybe it's changed in 1.0.2. 

Question - what is the potion that gives the message :
  "Wow - do you feel great!" ????
Sometimes I've failed to see any effect, and sometimes I've seen my strength
increase.

Some other hack hints:
A piece of armor CAN be rusted down past -3. I had a splint mail go to -8,
giving me an AC of 12! Chucked that baby.

If your dog precedes you down a trap door, he does not go wild, but he is on
the edge. One accidental bump, and he turns on you. Make sure you feed him
something to prevent this - you'll get "the little dog devours _____".

Dave Fox
...!dual!ptsfa!df

> > In article <138@utflis.UUCP> chai@utflis.UUCP (Henry Chai) writes:
> > 
> > >
> > >2. Zoo : 
> > >   once I was lucky enuf to get a zoo.  Two Leppies were merrily
> > >   picking up the gold while I was fighting the other monsters.  However,
> > >   when i killed every one of them, there were no gold left behind by
> > >   the Leppies.  Where did all the $ go??
> > >
> > 
> > There must have been a dead monster on top of all the gold. I had the same
> > thing happen to me, I dropped all of my stuff, picked up a monster and lo
> > and behold found over 3000 pieces of gold.
> > 
> > Steve Grice
> > philabs!micomvax!steve
> 
> I think another possibility is that once the Leppies collected all
> they wanted, they teleported out with their booty.  They do this 
> under normal circumstances, so I don't see why they shouldn't do
> it in a zoo.
> 

I too found a zoo and then kill an orc who had over 4000 gold on him.
It looks like orcs pickup gold too.

Jeff Glasson
Hewlett-Packard ISO
ucbvax!hpda!jrg

I was having my best ever game of hack with most of the items
you need to get the Amulet (ie. Ring of Fire Resistance,Ring 
of Levitation,Potion of Object Detection,etc.) when I started 
to meet xans. As in the description they keep on pricking your
legs and reducing your strength so that you "collapse under
your load" making you drop things to be able to do anything.
I did this several times gradually finding it difficult to
find items which weren't needed for survival.

Has anyone else found this problem and hoe did they deal with it??

(potion of Restore Strength would obviously help and Royal Jelly
 similarly but are there any other items or ways of dealing with
 xans apart from genocide)

As a matter of interest what do people genocide as their first,
second and third choices assuming you are on level 8 say ??

If you are interested how this character died then read on :

On level 22 with 90 hit points (13th level with a potion of Raise
Level) he walked into a room and saw a Demon across the room.
He puts on one of his Rings of Regeneration and also a Ring of Fire
Resistance.By this time the positions were as follows :-

	&..@

pretty confident of being able to handle it in a similar fashion
to that of Dragons I moved to meet it.
MESSAGE
=======
A cloud of gas envelopes you ... you fall asleep ...More
etc.
The Demon with its four attacks quite easily wiped those 90 hit
points out in about 10 rounds.

My commiserations to anyone else who has died in this way !!
(The chance of that happening is so low I hate to think about it)

Brian Winstanley
(bww@ukc)

> 
> to meet xans. As in the description they keep on pricking your
> legs and reducing your strength so that you "collapse under
> your load" making you drop things to be able to do anything.
> 
> Has anyone else found this problem and hoe did they deal with it??
> 
> (potion of Restore Strength would obviously help and Royal Jelly
>  similarly but are there any other items or ways of dealing with
>  xans apart from genocide)

Nope, restore strength won't do it.  The only cure to run-ins with
xans is a potion of speed.  Don't ask me why, but after having your
legs pricked, a potion of speed gives you the message "Your legs 
begin to feel better."
> 
> As a matter of interest what do people genocide as their first,
> second and third choices assuming you are on level 8 say ??
> 
> Brian Winstanley
> (bww@ukc)

Well, I go for c's first, which seems to be the prevailing wisdom,
though I've only been stoned a couple of times when tangling with
them.  Then D's, and after that... well, xans have earned my eternal
dislike, too, so I take them out.  k's would probably be a pretty
good choice, too.


Lewis Barnett,CS Dept, Painter Hall 3.28, Univ. of Texas, Austin, TX 78712

-- barnett@ut-sally.ARPA, barnett@ut-sally.UUCP,
      {ihnp4,harvard,seismo,gatech,ctvax}!ut-sally!barnett

> 
> Question - what is the potion that gives the message :
>   "Wow - do you feel great!" ????
> Sometimes I've failed to see any effect, and sometimes I've seen my strength
> increase.
> 
This is a potion of "restore strength". If you lost any strength from
an Ant or anything, you get it back.

Kevin Chu
ucbvax!ucdavis!vega!ccs020

/ex

> 
> I was having my best ever game of hack with most of the items
> you need to get the Amulet (ie. Ring of Fire Resistance,Ring 
> of Levitation,Potion of Object Detection,etc.) when I started 
> to meet xans. As in the description they keep on pricking your
> legs and reducing your strength so that you "collapse under
> your load" making you drop things to be able to do anything.
> I did this several times gradually finding it difficult to
> find items which weren't needed for survival.
> 
> Has anyone else found this problem and hoe did they deal with it??
> 
> (potion of Restore Strength would obviously help and Royal Jelly
>  similarly but are there any other items or ways of dealing with
>  xans apart from genocide)

The remedy for pricked legs is a potion of speed.

> 
> As a matter of interest what do people genocide as their first,
> second and third choices assuming you are on level 8 say ??
> 

I usually genocide in the following order :
     1) Cockatrices  -- there are better ways to get stoned
     2) Xans -- Irritating SOBS
     3) Dragons -- If I don't have a ring of fire resistance
     4) U's, e's, k's(not to deadly but makes game slow)

> Brian Winstanley
> (bww@ukc)

Here's a question : Is the only way to get to more maze levels in Hack 1.0.1
to teleport, or do stairs exist that I have never seen ???
-- 
				Gary Barton
			        Ohio State University
				(UUCP: cbosgd!osu-eddie!barton)
				(CSNet: barton@ohio-state)
                                (ARPA:  barton%ohio-state.csnet@CSNET-RELAY)

===========================================================================
The views expressed here are :
     1) of questionable utility,intelligence,authenticity, & legality.
     2) generically disclaimed.
===========================================================================

> 
> Question - what is the potion that gives the message :
>   "Wow - do you feel great!" ????
> Sometimes I've failed to see any effect, and sometimes I've seen my strength
> increase.
> 
> Some other hack hints:
> A piece of armor CAN be rusted down past -3. I had a splint mail go to -8,
> giving me an AC of 12! Chucked that baby.
> 
> If your dog precedes you down a trap door, he does not go wild, but he is on
> the edge. One accidental bump, and he turns on you. Make sure you feed him
> something to prevent this - you'll get "the little dog devours _____".
> 
> Dave Fox
> ...!dual!ptsfa!df

*** REPLACE THIS CHEAP IMITATION LINE WITH A REAL MESSAGE ***

The potion you quaffed was a potion of restore strength.  This explains why
sometimes your strength is changed and sometimes not.
-- 
				Gary Barton
			        Ohio State University
				(UUCP: cbosgd!osu-eddie!barton)
				(CSNet: barton@ohio-state)
                                (ARPA:  barton%ohio-state.csnet@CSNET-RELAY)

===========================================================================
The views expressed here are :
     1) of questionable utility,intelligence,authenticity, & legality.
     2) generically disclaimed.
===========================================================================

In article <1963@ut-sally.UUCP> barnett@ut-sally.UUCP (Lewis Barnett) writes:
>> 
>> Xans. As in the description they keep on pricking your
>> legs and reducing your strength so that you "collapse under
>> your load" making you drop things to be able to do anything.
>> Has anyone else found this problem and hoe did they deal with it??
>
>Nope, restore strength won't do it.  The only cure to run-ins with
>xans is a potion of speed.  Don't ask me why, but after having your
>legs pricked, a potion of speed gives you the message "Your legs 
>begin to feel better."

Drinking 2 or 3 potions of speed also gives a similar message when you
drink them in rapid succession, even if you have not yet ran in to a
xan.  Does this mean you are allowed to carry more?  (I have not been
able to test out this theory yet)
>> 
>> As a matter of interest what do people genocide as their first,
>> second and third choices assuming you are on level 8 say ??
>> 
>> Brian Winstanley
>
>Well, I go for c's first, which seems to be the prevailing wisdom,
>though I've only been stoned a couple of times when tangling with
>them.  Then D's, and after that... well, xans have earned my eternal
>dislike, too, so I take them out.  k's would probably be a pretty
>good choice, too.
>
>Lewis Barnett,CS Dept, Painter Hall 3.28, Univ. of Texas, Austin, TX 78712
>
I prefer to go for xan's straight off.  
    *****SPOILER*****
After you kill your first killer bee you can eat it and it will give you
poison resistance, allowing you to avoid food burning rings.  Dragons are
also handy, eating them (you must stand on top of them, they are nigh
impossible to lift) imparts fire resistance upon you, after which 
subsequent dragons are relatively easy to kill.  Keep potions of healing
on hand as that when you eat them they are likely to be tainted, and
be prepared to lose a few strength points due to the poison in a bee.

The prevailing attitude here is that cockatrices are not all that common, 
although they seem to come up too often if they come up once.
But they are easy to kill and are invaluable if you have gloves.
Simply keep the cockatrice in your pack and if you run into a treasure 
zoo or graveyard before it decomposes, wield it and go wild!  Whenever it hits, 
it turns the victim into stone, instant death (you still get the normal 
corpses to eat if appropiate to do so).  Stay in one place when doing so, if you
fall into a pit while wielding the cadaver it is instant death for you.
I've had good success with theses stategies, and find that with intelligent
handling of cockatrices (i.e. use up those wand charges & teleport like crazy)
I rarely (one game in the time it has taken me to get the last three wins) 
get turned to stone.
 
  My next favorite thing to genocide is the rust monsters, they are almost
as much of a nuisance to me as xans.  Of course, I usually carry the 
genocide scroll if I have the portage to spare and use the scroll as a
save when something is about to kill me, so I don't always get to pick
what I want to kill.

In article <646@ptsfa.UUCP> df@ptsfa.UUCP (Dave Fox) writes:
>
>Question - what is the potion that gives the message :
>  "Wow - do you feel great!" ????
>Sometimes I've failed to see any effect, and sometimes I've seen my strength
>increase.
>
	It is called Restore Strength. It puts your strength back up
to its maximum after it has been reduced(by an Ant or weakness due to
lack of food).
-- 

				Sarima (Stanley Friesen)

{trwrb|allegra|cbosgd|hplabs|ihnp4|aero!uscvax!akgua}!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen
or {ttdica|quad1|bellcore|scgvaxd}!psivax!friesen

>If your dog precedes you down a trap door, he does not go wild, but he is on
>the edge. One accidental bump, and he turns on you. Make sure you feed him
>something to prevent this - you'll get "the little dog devours _____".
>
>Dave Fox
>...!dual!ptsfa!df
>----------

I've tried this, but my dog won't eat anything I drop for him. Is there a
special command for feeding your dog (I've just 'd'ropped things for him
to eat), or is this only true for version 1.0.[12] (I'm running version 1)?

Also, if I pick up a monster corpse and don't eat it right away, it (quietly)
disappears from my pack. Is this supposed to happen? I lost a Leprechaun
this way.

Diane Holt
decvax!vortex!ISM780!dianeh
cca!ima!ISM780!dianeh

In article <18800001@ism70.UUCP> dianeh@ism70.UUCP writes:
>
>
>>If your dog precedes you down a trap door, he does not go wild, but he is on
>>the edge. One accidental bump, and he turns on you. Make sure you feed him
>>something to prevent this - you'll get "the little dog devours _____".

Throw the food AT the dog.

-- 
Herb Kanner
Tymnet, Inc.

The potion giving the message "Wow, this makes you feel great !!"
is a RESTORE STRENGTH potion.It obviously has no effect if you
haven't lost any strength. It reverses the effects of Poison potions
and Giant Ant bites and anything else which reduces your strength.

What is the use of Blank Scrolls and Potions of Fruit Juice ??

Brian Winstanley
(bww@ukc)

> 
> >If your dog precedes you down a trap door, he does not go wild, but he is on
> >the edge. One accidental bump, and he turns on you. Make sure you feed him
> >something to prevent this - you'll get "the little dog devours _____".
> >
> 
> I've tried this, but my dog won't eat anything I drop for him. Is there a
> special command for feeding your dog (I've just 'd'ropped things for him
> to eat), or is this only true for version 1.0.[12] (I'm running version 1)?
> 
> Also, if I pick up a monster corpse and don't eat it right away, it (quietly)
> disappears from my pack. Is this supposed to happen? I lost a Leprechaun
> this way.
> 
To feed Phydeaux you have to (t)hrow food at him. 

Corpses decay after a while and do disappear. I suggest if you plan to eat
a corpse that you do it immediately since corpses also go bad and poison you.
-- 
Jon M. Allingham	(201)386-3466	AT&T Bell Laboratories-WH

"Beam me up Scotty, no intelligent life down here!"

In article <> dianeh@ism70.UUCP writes:
>Also, if I pick up a monster corpse and don't eat it right away, it (quietly)
>disappears from my pack. Is this supposed to happen? I lost a Leprechaun
>this way.

All corpses rot!  If you are brave enough to eat a corpse, at least make
sure it is fresh!

Bryan Ivey

Reply-To: galbpa instead of galbp

In article <18800001@ism70.UUCP> dianeh@ism70.UUCP writes:
>
>
>>If your dog precedes you down a trap door, he does not go wild, but he is on
>>the edge. One accidental bump, and he turns on you. Make sure you feed him
>>something to prevent this - you'll get "the little dog devours _____".
>>
>>Dave Fox
>>...!dual!ptsfa!df
>>----------
>
>I've tried this, but my dog won't eat anything I drop for him. Is there a
>special command for feeding your dog (I've just 'd'ropped things for him
>to eat), or is this only true for version 1.0.[12] (I'm running version 1)?
>
>Also, if I pick up a monster corpse and don't eat it right away, it (quietly)
>disappears from my pack. Is this supposed to happen? I lost a Leprechaun
>this way.
>
>Diane Holt
>decvax!vortex!ISM780!dianeh
>cca!ima!ISM780!dianeh

You don't want to drop it for him.  What you want to do is get in a line
with him and throw the food at the dog.

Also, Do not eat monsters corpses that have been around say more than about 50
turns.  If you do, you will get the message :
  Uuch -- tainted meat !!

and a few moves later you'll see :
You die of food poisoning --more--

Monster corpses decay, and must be eaten quickly.  After a while, the dead
monster will disappear from the game whether it is on the floor of the
dungeon or in your pack !!


-- 
				Gary Barton
			        Ohio State University
				(UUCP: cbosgd!osu-eddie!barton)
				(CSNet: barton@ohio-state)
                                (ARPA:  barton%ohio-state.csnet@CSNET-RELAY)

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     1) of questionable utility,intelligence,authenticity, & legality.
     2) generically disclaimed.
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What good are the little hack dogs?  Does naming them have any effect?