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>      Does anybody out there know of any countries where the use of opiates
> and/or other drugs for personal or recreational purposes is legal?
> 					 John Bashinski

In India there are holy men (people? - I didn't see any women doing this) 
who generally wear saffron colored robes and roam around the country in
search of enlightenment.  They don't own anything and must beg for their
food etc.  Some of them use optiates (and maybe other drugs) in the process
and this is socially accepted.  There are also many westerners or former
westerners - literally leftover hippies - who have discarded their
visas and passports to do the same thing (although I would guess their
rate of enlightenment is somewhat lower).  It is relatively easy to get
drugs there.  I don't know if they are technically illegal, but Indian
society generally frowns upon drug use among its own people and doesn't
care much what the others do.  There is one holiday in the winter though,
(something to do with colors, I forget the name) which includes the use
of bhang, which I've heard is pretty potent stuff.

A few years ago some friends of mine were in Agra.  When they stopped
for a lassi (a drink made from yogert), one of them got the 'special
lassi' because it only cost an extra nickel (american).  After some time
he thought he was getting sun stroke because he was so dizzy.  When he
went to lie down, the other guy went back to the store to find that the
special lassi was special because it has bhang in it.  Jim was releived to
find out it was only drugs.

-Mark Garrett

>      Does anybody out there know of any countries where the use of opiates
> and/or other drugs for personal or recreational purposes is legal?...

The misconception that "net.internat" is for discussion of "international"
issues in general crops up every now and then.  It is for discussion of
issues relating to "the internationalization of computer software" or some
such phrase, not any issue that involves multiple countries (or issues
involving countries other than the U.S. - interesting that many people
consider "international" equivalent to "not U.S.A."; a bit of tunnel-vision
there).
-- 
	Guy Harris
	{ihnp4, decvax, seismo, decwrl, ...}!sun!guy
	guy@sun.arpa	(yes, really)

In article <27@petrus.UUCP> mwg@petrus.UUCP (Mark Garrett) writes:
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>(something to do with colors, I forget the name) which includes the use
>of bhang, which I've heard is pretty potent stuff.
>
>-Mark Garrett


"Bhang" is nothing but leaves of the marijuana plant ground into a 
paste.  It is consumed either straight in the form of small balls or 
mixed in drinks (milk, buttermilk, etc).  Yes it is potent.

Avinash Marathe
{ihnp4,allegra,decwrl}!amd!ubvax!avinash

In article <3267@sun.uucp> guy@sun.uucp (Guy Harris) writes:
>                                        - interesting that many people
>consider "international" equivalent to "not U.S.A."; a bit of tunnel-vision
>there).

You are quite right on that point!  There were a lot of arguments against
making net.internat a 'net.' group; some Americans meant that an 'eunet.'
group would be more than adequate for this kind of discussions.

There seems to be a bit of 'tunnel-vision' *over* there too :-)

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Kim F. Storm, storm@diku.UUCP  (seismo!diku!storm)
Institute of Datalogy(=CS), U of Copenhagen, Universitetsparken 1, DK-2100 OE

In article <156@proper.UUCP> john@proper.UUCP (john) writes:
>
>     Does anybody out there know of any countries where the use of opiates
>and/or other drugs for personal or recreational purposes is legal?  I'm most
>interested in places where there are *no* restrictions, but I'd also like to
>hear about places where there are just fewer restrictions than there are in
>the U.S.
>
>     If you do know of anywhere, do you have any information on things like
>rates of addiction, negative effects of drug use on the lives of citizens
>(especially as compared to effects in countries where the drugs are illegal),
>overall satisfaction with the legal status of drugs, and so forth?
>
>					 John Bashinski
>					 {dual,amdahl,qantel}!proper!john

This may not be exactly the information you are looking for, but ...

I had an Indian girlfriend a few years ago. When we were in India,
they would stock up on all kinds of legal over the counter drugs
which aren't available in the USA, and bring suitcases full of
the stuff back here (don't ask me why customs let them get away
with it. I watched as the suitcases went through inspection.)
There are all kinds of things you can get there that aren't
available here. I remember one drug called "Baralgin" or
something like that (made by Hoffmann-LaRouche, I seem to
recall) that was really potent for getting rid of headaches.
My girlfriend was dependent on (probably addicted to) the
stuff.

Anyway, I think there are lots of drugs available in other
countries that aren't available here, but it would be an
enormous amount of work to find out about them.

>>      Does anybody out there know of any countries where the use of opiates
>> and/or other drugs for personal or recreational purposes is legal?
>> 					 John Bashinski
>
>In India there are holy men (people? - I didn't see any women doing this) 
>who generally wear saffron colored robes and roam around the country in
>search of enlightenment.  They don't own anything and must beg for their
>food etc.  Some of them use optiates (and maybe other drugs) in the process
>and this is socially accepted.  There are also many westerners or former
>westerners - literally leftover hippies - who have discarded their
>visas and passports to do the same thing (although I would guess their
>rate of enlightenment is somewhat lower).  It is relatively easy to get
>drugs there.  I don't know if they are technically illegal, but Indian
>society generally frowns upon drug use among its own people and doesn't
>care much what the others do.  There is one holiday in the winter though,
>(something to do with colors, I forget the name) which includes the use
>of bhang, which I've heard is pretty potent stuff.
>
>A few years ago some friends of mine were in Agra.  When they stopped
>for a lassi (a drink made from yogert), one of them got the 'special
>lassi' because it only cost an extra nickel (american).  After some time
>he thought he was getting sun stroke because he was so dizzy.  When he
>went to lie down, the other guy went back to the store to find that the
>special lassi was special because it has bhang in it.  Jim was releived to
>find out it was only drugs.
>
>-Mark Garrett

That reminded me: there are a couple drugs that seem to
be widely used in India that I tried when I was there.
One is betel nut, I think. After dinner they pass a box
of this stuff around, and everyone takes some. Supposedly
it is for digestion only, but I got stoned from it.

Also they sell some stuff wrapped in a green leaf on the
street (maybe its betel leaf). I tried some once and it
was quite potent. Really made my head ring.

The Indian coffee is probably the strongest drug of all :-)

>Anyway, I think there are lots of drugs available in other
>countries that aren't available here, but it would be an
>enormous amount of work to find out about them.

(-: Including Tylenol cyanide? :-)

Sorry, couldn't resist. Can we go back to arguing about char sets?
I think this stuff doesn't belong in net.internat.

	Ken
-- 
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Snail: Comp. of Disp. Sci., U. of Roch., NY 14627. Voice: Ken!

With a name like 'net.internat' which does not reveal anything about
its purpose, we simply have to live with unrelated subjects popping
up in the group from time to time.  Hopefully, the occurrence of a few
'international' issues will not lead other net.people to believe that
the group is really for 'discussion of international matters'!

But maybe we should create net.internat.software and move our
'internationalization of computer software' issues there ? 
(is a :-) needed here ?)

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Kim F. Storm, storm@diku.UUCP  (seismo!diku!storm)
Institute of Datalogy(=CS), U of Copenhagen, Universitetsparken 1, DK-2100 OE