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Article #1073Re: Ethernet connections for mainframes
From: Louis Mamakos
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1986 02:04
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1986 02:04
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In article <774@osiris.UUCP> eric@osiris.UUCP (Eric Bergan) writes:
>> >We would like to hear from other sites that have such a configuration [mainframe
>> >(of any sort) to Ethernet], preferable by means of an IO channel connection,
>> >since our application requires the bandwidth of an IO channel.
>>
>> Yes, as far as I know, we were the first with TCP/IP on the Sperry. We're
>> currently running a 40KB sync line to a fuzzball which has an ethernet on it.
>> It seem that we've got some users, and they have all this data you see.. and
>> they want to move it REAL fast. So. We are in the process of evaluating
>> the Sparticus (now Fibronics) and Auscom IBM-type-byte-channel ethernet
>> boards, and hope to have one here soon. Well see how fast our purchasing
>> people can deal with this one.
>
> We have an Auscom currently connected to our IBM systems, running
>XNS. I believe that our Auscom is a block channel, not a byte channel,
>interface, though. The XNS resides in the Auscom itself, and the
>virtual circuits look like a series of 327x terminals. This avoids the
>protocol load on the host. We have implemented Sun's RPC mechanism in
>the IBM, and our IBM is routinely making RPC calls from COBOL to our
>Pyramid over all of this. (The Pyramid does database lookups, and
>returns the information to the IBM.) We presented a paper on all of
>this at the last Uniforum, for those that are interested in more
>details.
>
> We have also looked at the Sparticus equipment. At the time we
>were starting, Sparticus only supported VM, not MVS. I understand that
>this is currently changing. There is, however, still the issue that
>Sparticus runs TCP/IP in the host, and so you still have to pay for the
>mainframe cpu cycles to handle the protocol. We would be very
>interested in any Sparticus customers that could tell us how much of
>their cpu gets chewed up doing the TCP/IP protocols. I remember that
>the old UCLA code was estimated at chewing up about a third of a
>reasonable sized IBM mainframe, which is far more than we could put up
>with.
>
>--
>
> eric
> ...!seismo!umcp-cs!aplcen!osiris!eric
I guess my terms were a bit incorrect. When I said 'byte' channel I meant
an IBM style byte or block mux channel on the Sperry rather then the Sperry
36 bit wide "word" channel.
We've been running TCP/IP on the host for quite a while, and found that it
doesn't present a high enough load to worry about off-loading the processing
to a front end. For our application, we'd prefer not to have an overly
clever front end "helping" us, but rather a simple interface to an ethernet
that won't bend the existing code too far out of shape.
We'll see what happens; usage patterns are likely to change when the higher
bandwidth network connection arrives. Who knows what these crazy users will
do next!
--
Louis A. Mamakos WA3YMH University of Maryland, Computer Science Center
Internet: louie@trantor.arpa
UUCP: {seismo!umcp-cs, ihnp4!rlgvax}!cvl!umd5!louie
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Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!caip!seismo!umcp-cs!cvl!umd5!louie From: louie@umd5.UUCP (Louis Mamakos) Newsgroups: net.lan Subject: Re: Ethernet connections for mainframes Message-ID: <930@umd5.UUCP> Date: Wed, 23-Apr-86 22:04:54 EDT Article-I.D.: umd5.930 Posted: Wed Apr 23 22:04:54 1986 Date-Received: Sun, 27-Apr-86 07:16:25 EDT References: <1104@uwmcsd1.UUCP> <169@brl-sem.ARPA> <926@umd5.UUCP> <774@osiris.UUCP> Reply-To: louie@umd5.UUCP (Louis Mamakos) Distribution: net Organization: U of Md, CSC, College Park, Md Lines: 58