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Non-domain host names in mail

#635
From: Rich Wales
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1986 05:05
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[NOTE:  I had planned to send this message out several weeks ago, but a
mail problem at MC.LCS.MIT.EDU -- which apparently put the Header-People
mailing list out of commission for a while -- got in the way.  Apologies
for any of the following information which is out of date. -- RBW]

Here's yet another chapter in the ongoing saga of "bad" and "semi-bad"
host names in mail.  This message has to do with "non-domain-style" host
names (i.e., nicknames which appear in the NIC host name table, but
which do not contain periods).  A subsequent message will discuss host
names which do not appear in the NIC table at all.

The following non-domain-style host names were observed in connection
with mail received by LOCUS.UCLA.EDU between 6 December 1985 and 15 Jan-
uary 1986.

Most of these names could be converted into valid (i.e., defined)
domain-style names by adding ".ARPA" to them.  Those names which do not
occur with the ".ARPA" suffix in the NIC host name table are indicated
by asterisks.

Since non-domain-style host names are NEVER going to be listed in the
domain data base, I would strongly encourage the hosts listed below to
stop using them NOW and use the correct domain-style names instead.

************************************************************************
*    I would also again urge the NIC to set a deadline for phasing     *
*    all non-domain-style names out of the host name table.  (Note     *
*    that I am NOT advocating that ALL nicknames be removed -- only    *
*    that nicknames without periods be removed.)  No matter what       *
*    anyone may say about transition to the domain data base -- and    *
*    no matter what anyone may say about only using a host's           *
*    "official" name -- the fact remains that as long as these names   *
*    appear in the table, people are going to continue to use them.    *
************************************************************************

Also, I would suggest again to those hosts which are using the domain
data base that -- when they see a non-domain-style nickname in a mail
address -- they should try adding ".ARPA" to the name and look up the
result in the data base before giving up.  This should be thought of as
a temporary "hack", to get around the unfortunate fact that it is likely
to be some time before non-domain-style nicknames have been utterly and
completely eradicated from our midst.

Before anyone asks:  I am NOT going to try to send individual letters to
system adminstrators about this issue this time.  The last time I did
this, I got very few responses.  Most people seemed to simply ignore me
(witness the size of the lists below!).  One person (who shall remain
nameless unless he chooses to make himself known) even said he planned
to keep on using his non-domain-style nickname, because he liked to make
waves!  Predictably, said host is still on my list, and the wizard in-
volved is no doubt very proud of this fact.  Sigh.

My apologies for any typos which might have made it into this list.
Also, my apologies if any hosts listed below have since fixed things.

Again, host names indicated below with (*) do not have ".ARPA" counter-
parts; an attempt (as described above) to make sense of these names by
tacking ".ARPA" onto them would fail.

(1) Non-domain-style host names used in return addresses of mail:

    Name used       Domain-style name
    =================================
    AERO (*)        AEROSPACE.ARPA
    AIDS-UNIX       AIDS-UNIX.ARPA
    BBNCCM          BBNCCM.ARPA, CCM.BBN.COM
    BBNCCP          BBNCCP.ARPA
    CIT-750         CIT-750.ARPA, CIT-750.CALTECH.EDU
    FORD-WDL1       FORD-WDL1.ARPA
    GLACIER (*)     SU-GLACIER.ARPA, GLACIER.STANFORD.EDU
    GSWD-VMS        GSWD-VMS.ARPA
    HPLABSD (*)     HPLABS.ARPA
    LASSPVAX        LASSPVAX.ARPA, LASSPVAX.TN.CORNELL.EDU
    MEDEA (*)       MEDEA.BERKELEY.EDU
    NRL-AIC         NRL-AIC.ARPA
    PARCVAX         PARCVAX.ARPA, PARCVAX.XEROX.COM
    SRI-SPAM        SRI-SPAM.ARPA
    SRI-UNIX        SRI-UNIX.ARPA
    SU-PSYCH        SU-PSYCH.ARPA, PSYCH.STANFORD.EDU
    TOR (*)         NTA-VAX.ARPA
    UMN-UCC-VA      UMN-UCC-VA.ARPA
    YALE-VENUS      YALE-VENUS.ARPA

(2) Non-domain-style host names used in SMTP HELO commands:

    Name used     Address         Domain-style name
    ===============================================
    ALMSA-1       26.1.0.61       ALMSA-1.ARPA
    ATHENA (*)    18.58.0.1       MIT-ATHENA.ARPA, ATHENA.MIT.EDU
    BBNCCM        8.7.0.14        BBNCCM.ARPA, CCM.BBN.COM
    BBNCCP        8.2.0.4         BBNCCP.ARPA
    FORD-WDL1     128.5.32.1      FORD-WDL1.ARPA
    GLACIER (*)   36.40.0.205     SU-GLACIER.ARPA, GLACIER.STANFORD.EDU
    HPLABSD       192.5.58.10     HPLABS.ARPA
    MEDEA (*)     128.32.0.15     UCBMEDEA.ARPA, MEDEA.BERKELEY.EDU
    MEDIA-LAB     18.85.0.2       MEDIA-LAB.ARPA, MEDIA-LAB.MIT.EDU
    MIT-EDDIE     18.62.0.6       MIT-EDDIE.ARPA, EDDIE.MIT.EDU
    NRL-AIC       26.1.0.8        NRL-AIC.ARPA
    NRL-CSS       192.5.17.112    NRL-CSS.ARPA
    PREP (*)      128.52.22.14    MIT-PREP.ARPA, PREP.AI.MIT.EDU
    SU-PSYCH      36.36.0.202     SU-PSYCH.ARPA, PSYCH.STANFORD.EDU
    UCBARPA (*)   10.0.0.78       UCB-ARPA.ARPA, UCBARPA.BERKELEY.EDU
    YALE (*)      10.2.0.9        YALE-GW.ARPA

-- 
Rich Wales // UCLA Computer Science Department // +1 213-825-5683
	3531 Boelter Hall // Los Angeles, California 90024 // USA
	ARPA:   wales@LOCUS.UCLA.EDU  -or-  wales@UCLA-LOCUS.ARPA
	UUCP:   ...!(ucbvax,ihnp4)!ucla-cs!wales
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