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In article <170@pluto.UUCP> warren@pluto.UUCP (Warren Burstein) writes:
>I own an Atari 800.  I don't own an ST.  I see one message in dozens in
>this group which I want to read.  Why don't we have net.micro.ST
>and net.micro.atari800?  (or anything else that says it, owners of 400s,
>600s and 1200s shouldn't feel excluded.)

As much as I agree with the problem, I have to disagree with the suggestion.
The 800 (et al) are as dead as lots of other machines with loyal followings,
and the need for a newsgroup for new technical data, rumors, O.S. arguments,
etc. is just not there.

Maybe we can all afford to upgrade some day ...

In article <1543@cae780.UUCP>, gordon@cae780.UUCP (Brian Gordon) writes:
> The 800 (et al) are as dead as lots of other machines with loyal followings,
> and the need for a newsgroup for new technical data, rumors, O.S. arguments,
> etc. is just not there.

Well there was just today a posting from someone who requested data on the
600.  I'm not loyal to the 800 at all.  I gave it to my mother because
she wanted to learn something about computers.  (Flames about parent-abuse
to /dev/null, please.  It was her idea.)

Anyway if this group only had ST postings, it should be renamed to
reflect this.

In article <1543@cae780.UUCP> gordon@cae780.UUCP (Brian Gordon) writes:
>
>As much as I agree with the problem, I have to disagree with the suggestion.
>The 800 (et al) are as dead as lots of other machines with loyal followings,
>and the need for a newsgroup for new technical data, rumors, O.S. arguments,
>etc. is just not there.
>
>Maybe we can all afford to upgrade some day ...

   As much as I agree with the disagreement with the suggestion, I have to 
disagree with the opinion expressed by Mr. Gordon.  While I don't believe
there is a need for a new newsgroup, writing off the machines upon which the
Amiga (yes, Amiga) is based due to some sort of computer snobbery is
ridiculous.  Those "dead" machines not only exist in the homes and offices
of literally tens of thousands of people, but continue to have new software
produced for them.  Add to that the fact that the recent dumping of 'em on
the market at extremely low prices makes for a lot of people with a need
for *old* technical data, and those "dead" machines rise miraculously from
the grave (not unlike a grade B horror flick :-).
   On the other hand, if you think gigabytes of Amiga vs ST flamage is a
necessary thing, perhaps a separate ST newsgroup *would* be a good idea.
We'll call it "/dev/null".

 - Joel Plutchak
   {allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!oyster

Can you say "opinion"?  I *knew* you could!

P.S. Have any of you necrophiliac 8-bit Atari users seen the latest Lucasfilms
software (Eidolon?) yet?  Is it worth owning?

> In article <170@pluto.UUCP> warren@pluto.UUCP (Warren Burstein) writes:
> >I own an Atari 800.  I don't own an ST.  I see one message in dozens in
> >this group which I want to read.  Why don't we have net.micro.ST
> >and net.micro.atari800?  (or anything else that says it, owners of 400s,
> >600s and 1200s shouldn't feel excluded.)
> 
> As much as I agree with the problem, I have to disagree with the suggestion.
> The 800 (et al) are as dead as lots of other machines with loyal followings,
> and the need for a newsgroup for new technical data, rumors, O.S. arguments,
> etc. is just not there.
> 
> Maybe we can all afford to upgrade some day ...

	I agree with the original posting.  I too have an Atari computer,
but have no intention of buying the new ST machine.  And I strongly
disagree with the last statement.  The ST machines are NOT repeat NOT
an upgrade from the 400/800/1200XL/600XL/800XL line of computers.  They
are not compatable, and there for are not an upgrade.  When we upgrade
the computers here, we don`t have to throw out all of the software that
we have.  In the worst case, it must be recompiled.  That is an upgrade.
If I "upgraded" to the ST line, I would have to throw out over 300 disks
of software.  There is no way that I am going to do that to support Jack
Traimel and his personal dreams of glory.

	Sorry about the flame, but I couldn't help myself.

From inside the Tesseract of
	Clancy Malloy
	(ihnp4!ihlpa!freak)

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In article <170@pluto.UUCP> warren@pluto.UUCP (Warren Burstein) writes:
>I own an Atari 800.  I don't own an ST.  I see one message in dozens in
>this group which I want to read.  Why don't we have net.micro.ST
>and net.micro.atari800?  (or anything else that says it, owners of 400s,
>600s and 1200s shouldn't feel excluded.)

I currently own an 800XL I bought last year for cheap as a game/teaching
software machine for myself and my family.  I currently WANT to own
an ST, because I feel it will be a viable machine for the future.  Yes,
the 8-bit series seems to be getting phased out for the ST (and TT?),
but I STILL WANT to see articles on both; the 8-bit for now, the
ST for the future.  The level of traffic in this group is not that
huge; is it really that burdensome for people only interested in one
or the other machine to skip past (to them) irrelevant articles?

						Bob Halloran
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> I own an Atari 800.  I don't own an ST.  I see one message in dozens in
> this group which I want to read.  Why don't we have net.micro.ST
> and net.micro.atari800?  (or anything else that says it, owners of 400s,
> 600s and 1200s shouldn't feel excluded.)

As an 800 owner/user I also vote to split micro.atari

  >P.S. Have any of you necrophiliac 8-bit Atari users seen the latest 
  >Lucasfilms software (Eidolon?) yet?  Is it worth owning?

I have not played this game personally but I saw the preliminary version
running at the Consumer Electronic Show in June and all the reviews I 
have read have be good.  They use fractals to generate the walls of 
tunnels (you are underground most of the time) and the animation is very
good.  If you like graphics adventure games with an arcade touch, you
will like it.

In regards to the 8-bit machines, I don't think they are dead.  Atari is
continuing to build them (at least the 130XE) and they are selling.  Best
of all software manufacturers are continuing to write products (both games
and productive type) for them.  Many of the hardware types are still
actively involved (CDY Products, to name one good one) and many of the
stores that carry them are run by Atari enthusiasts interested in more
than just selling straight available products.  One example is CAL COM INC.,
in Silver Springs, MD.  I don't know them personally but a look at things
they sell shows they are enthusiasts, not just a store.  Where else can
you buy a 130XE with an extra 128K installed (they call it the 327XE) or
a 130XE with OMNIVIEW already installed?  And there prices are very
reasonable (520ST monochrome package = 699.95, color = 849.95 and the
130XE = 135.00).  They even list the 1 MEG upgrade kit for the ST for
$200.  As long as places like this exist and User Groups keep spreading 
the word, the 8-bit machines will continue to be a viable product.  We
have at least 13 people here with Atari 8-bit machines, probably half
of which bought them because of the first users talking them up.
We can make a difference.  If someone that doesn't have a computer
starts asking questions, are you quick to point out the advantages of
the 8-bit machines or do you say 'wait a while, the ST's are out and
I'm sure the price will drop'?  Face it, most home users don't need
the capabilities of the ST.  Sell them what they can use now, they may
eventually want to move up.

I didn't mean to carry on so long or preach but I hate to see comments
like 'the 8-bit machines are dead or out-dated'.  It simply isn't true.
 
					Kit Kimes
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