Thread View: net.micro.atari
5 messages
5 total messages
Started by D-ROGERS
Tue, 05 Nov 1985 20:45
origin of "personal computer"
Author: D-ROGERS
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1985 20:45
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1985 20:45
18 lines
1638 bytes
1638 bytes
From: ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!mtuxo!drutx!druhi!lbl@ucb-vax.berkeley.edu (LocklearLB) > No, I don't remember when "PC" meant "a personal computer" in any >generic sense. And I doubt if you do either. The only PC's that existed >before IBM were "Pocket Computers". IBM coined the term personal >computer. >Excuse me, but I certainly hope you meant to put a :) after that sentence. >If you didn't, I'm sure that you never heard of an Apple personal computer >or a Radio Shack personal computer. Both were introduced years before >IBM entered the market. Neither of these was the first personal computer >by a long shot. The term "personal computer" has been around a lot >long than IBM's PC has. I hope to shout! How about the PDP-1, PDP-8, & PDP-11 by Digital Equipment Corp. The PDP stood for "Personal Data Processor" and was probably the first standalone interactive computer that didn't require massive resources needed to support a mainframe. I believe the first dates to the early 60's. -------
Re: origin of "personal computer"
Author: Bill Henneman
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1985 13:11
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1985 13:11
16 lines
1156 bytes
1156 bytes
To the best of my recollection, DEC didn't use the word personal in
conjuction with computer until the late 70's: they certainly weren't
using it in the 60's. I qoute from my 1963 edition of the DEC PDP1
handbook:
PDP stands for *Programmed Data Processor* and is a trademark
of Digital Equipment Corporation.
The same quote appears in my July, 1969 edition of DEC's
Introduction to Programming
PDP-8 Family Computers
and my 1970 edition of DEC's
Small Computer Handbook
I can find no expansion of the PDP acronym in any DEC manual with
a publication data later than 1970.
"personal computer", "PDP", IBM-PC Phobia
Author: Hugh Redelmeier
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1985 16:45
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1985 16:45
50 lines
3301 bytes
3301 bytes
In article <8511052150.AA19797@ucb-vax.berkeley.edu> D-ROGERS@EDWARDS-2060.ARPA writes: >> IBM coined the term personal computer. > I hope to shout! How about the PDP-1, PDP-8, & PDP-11 by Digital > Equipment Corp. The PDP stood for "Personal Data Processor" and was > probably the first standalone interactive computer that didn't require > massive resources needed to support a mainframe. From an artifact on my wall, printed by DEC circa 1969: Programmed Data Processors 8/S, 8, 9, 10 and the LINC-8 are general purpose, stored program, digital computers capable of a wide variety of data processing and control functions. The PDP line spans the complete spectrum of on-line, real-time applications ranging from simple data acquisition on the "8/S" to a full-scale time sharing facility on the "10". Note "programmed", not "personal". There have been personal computers since the early days. Consider the Bendix G15 or the LGP-30. In fact, becoming "impersonal" was a definite sign of progress: it made bigger machines economical by allowing them to be used efficiently. The new personal computers are a sign of further progress: hardware is cheap enough that a useful configuration can be dedicated to serving one person. If I remember correctly, the term "personal computer" was used before IBM entered the market. But it was not the dominant term. People often called them "micros", "home computers", or "hobbyist machines". I think that the term "personal computer" is more apt now. By the way: there seems to be a lot of animosity towards (read: "unreasoning emotion against") IBM and it's PC. As a UNIX user, I regret that the marketplace has made the IBM PC such a success, almost smothering innovation. The effect is premature standardization. It will be very hard to wean the market from a very low level standard: 8086 machine language, BIOS calls, memory mapped video of specific capabilities at specific addresses, etc. Contrast this with my UNIX experience: over 10 years, I have often changed hardware (PDP-11, VAX, 8086, 68000, 32000, proprietary) and UNIX version (5th, 6th, 7th edition, 4.1, 4.2 BSD, System V, XENIX 2, 3) without leaving my programs behind; some transitions were painful, but none were fatal. But IBM did not make its PC the standard, the marketplace did. And remember that the IBM PC was technically advanced compared with what was available when it entered the market. Evidently a lot of people find the machine (along with third party hardware and software) sufficiently useful to buy it. Moreso than any other personal computer.
Re: "personal computer", "PDP", IBM-PC Phobia
Author: Mike Shannon
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1985 17:58
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1985 17:58
18 lines
1458 bytes
1458 bytes
Hugh Redelmeyer writes in the cited article:
>......
> And
> remember that the IBM PC was technically advanced compared with what was
> available when it entered the market. Evidently a lot of people find
> the machine (along with third party hardware and software) sufficiently
> useful to buy it. Moreso than any other personal computer.
While in general I agree with most of the things he said, I do take issue
with the relatively 'technically advanced' comment. Olivetti produced
a z8000-based micro which was 'technically superior' in my opinion. (Of
course, I worked at Olivetti (in Cupertino, CA) so what do you expect? :-)
The IBM PC was a hit in the marketplace because IBM made it a hit. Not
because of any technical superiority.
--
Michael Shannon {ihnp4,hplabs}!oliveb!3comvax!mikes
Re: "personal computer", "PDP", IBM-PC Phobia
Author: Henry Schaffer
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1985 19:37
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1985 19:37
11 lines
1101 bytes
1101 bytes
> But IBM did not make its PC the standard, the marketplace did.
Agreed.
> And
> remember that the IBM PC was technically advanced compared with what was
> available when it entered the market.
Whoa! I don't think that this is correct. The extra 4 bits of address
was an advance, and the uniformity of having a keyboard/CRT standard made it
relatively straightfoward for mass marketing - but what were the technical
advances?
--henry schaffer n c state univ
Thread Navigation
This is a paginated view of messages in the thread with full content displayed inline.
Messages are displayed in chronological order, with the original post highlighted in green.
Use pagination controls to navigate through all messages in large threads.
Back to All Threads