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> According to our local dealer, there is an ST developer's kit available for
> $300 from Atari.  However, he didn't seem to have a very good idea of exactly
> what the kit includes -- I gather it comes with a C compiler and some other
> random utilities.  Can anyone out there in netland provide more details?  Is
> there a good reason why one should spend $300 on the developers kit versus
> $65 for Hippo C?  (Better compiler, better text editor, etc?)
> 
> -Sandra Loosemore (loosemore@utah-20)
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1 C compiler, assembler, linker, all of decent quality;

1 text editor, sort of like EMACS, 4 out of 10 in quality;

Assorted CPM utilities, and a program to exit gem into TOS (CPM);

A Batch program to run CPM commands from gem;

A ton of documentation varying from fair to awful, all of it essential and
unavailable elsewhere;

One gem application, the RSCS (resource construction set,) apparantly useful
for building other gem applications, very poorly documented and of dubious
quality, but interesting as a sample gem application.

Reports on Hippo C are extremely dubious.

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> there a good reason why one should spend $300 on the developers kit versus
> $65 for Hippo C?  (Better compiler, better text editor, etc?)
> 
> -Sandra Loosemore (loosemore@utah-20)
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everything i have heard about the hippo C compiler is bad, read the
reviews in last months BYTE magazine.
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The ST software development kit includes:

SOFTWARE
	Digital Research C compiler, 68K assembler, debugger, linker (two
	different ones), Kermit, GEM tools, examples etc....

DOCUMENTATION
	Disclaimer, Non-Disclosure agreement, Introduction to GEM Programming,
	GEM Setup Guide (IBM example only), GEM AES Programmer's Guide Vol. 2,
	GEM VDI Programmer's Guide Vol. 1, GEMDOS Specifications rev. 13,
	Example GEM Program Listing, DRI "C" Programmer's Guide,
	DRI Assembler & linker manuals,
	ST BIOS listing (reference only),
	ST Hardware specifications, Printer specifications,
	Kermit User's Guide, Intelligent Keyboard Specs,
	ST schematic, ST to IBM Keyboard Translation Suggestions,
	Line-A (graphics primitives) documentation,
	Sound chip documentation

The C compiler isn't too hot -- but it works.

One of the better development setups for the ST is two floppies and a 1mb
machine with a 512K ramdisk.  A hard disk is, of course, even better.

If you have questions about the development system, call Richard Frick
at (408) 745-4922.


-landon
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Dear Sandra;

I've heard bad reports about the HABA system. The beta test copy of their
compiler was full of little buggies. As far as the Atari developers' kit,
it includes 2800 pages of documentation, 6 floppies full of software (editor,
assembler, CPM-68K, C compiler, linker, object librarian, etc.). I think it's
worth the investment.

Bill S.
Go ahead and flame! I brought marshmallows!!
213/647-1753