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> I just bought Thorn EMI's "Jumbo Jet Pilot," only to discover that
> the directions were missing.  The store (liquidator) I bought it
> from says, "We don't make exchanges or refunds -- take it up with
> the manufacturer."  But without the direction sheet, I don't know
> how to get in touch with Thorn EMI.  Can someone help me out?

Good luck!  Software companies tend to disbelieve stories about
"missing documentation" -- the ol' rip-off copy trick.  I presume
you've double-checked the packaging for an address?
-- 
Doug Pardee -- Terak Corp. -- !{hao,ihnp4,decvax}!noao!terak!doug

>> I just bought Thorn EMI's "Jumbo Jet Pilot," only to discover that
>> the directions were missing.  The store (liquidator) I bought it
>> from says, "We don't make exchanges or refunds -- take it up with
>> the manufacturer."  But without the direction sheet, I don't know
>> how to get in touch with Thorn EMI.  Can someone help me out?
>
>Good luck!  Software companies tend to disbelieve stories about
>"missing documentation" -- the ol' rip-off copy trick.  I presume
>you've double-checked the packaging for an address?
>-- 
>Doug Pardee -- Terak Corp. -- !{hao,ihnp4,decvax}!noao!terak!doug

Yes, I've double checked.  As for ripping off, the software is in a
cartridge, not on a disk, so how am I going to copy it?  The plastic boxes
of software were not wrapped in clear plastic, so it would have been
an easy matter for a browser to open the box and take the documentation.
I wish I had opened the box before buying it.

I still have no responses giving Thorn EMI's address.

	David Smith
	{ucbvax!}hplabs!dsmith

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From what I understand, Thorn EMI is the British counterpart
to our RCA. (A tremendous corporation into just about every-
thing) I believe they produce albums so you might have more
success searching through that route....

			Dave Bloom
			Bell Labs, Holmdel

> Yes, I've double checked.  As for ripping off, the software is in a
> cartridge, not on a disk, so how am I going to copy it? 

There are many ways to copy a cartridge (I thought everyone knew that, but
I will explain anyways).  The older cartridges (Thorn included I believe)
were easily copyable simply by putting the cartridge in, doing a binary save
 and adding a couple loader bytes.

Software companies got wise to this; so they add protection.  This protection
in a cartridge is done by having the program write to the ram where the
rom cart. goes.  If a rom cart. is in place, it will simply have no effect
because you cant overwrite rom.  If the program was 'loaded' into ram (i.e.
disk or cassette), the program will kill itself and not work.

A simply solution to this is to wire your last 16K of ram, so you can turn off
write to it when you want.  The program is loaded into ram, write is turned
off, and a warmstart is done (memory stays in place, but write to that portion
of memory is disabled).  This way, the program can try as hard as it likes
to kill itself but cant.

I have added this feature to my atari, but for backup purposes only :^}



-- 
...Tim Thomas

...{burdvax, rocksvax, bbncca, decvax, dual, rocksanne, watmath}!sunybcs!ugthomas


Remember......
	Only you can prevent software piracy.

In article <454@hou2e.UUCP> yosh@hou2e.UUCP (M.CHING) writes:
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>From what I understand, Thorn EMI is the British counterpart
>to our RCA. (A tremendous corporation into just about every-
>thing) I believe they produce albums so you might have more
>success searching through that route....
>
>			Dave Bloom
>			Bell Labs, Holmdel

Sorry to be picky, but a major record company in the EMI group is
Capitol, as in Capitol EMI Canada Ltd., whereas I believe RCA is still
independent (although I seem to remember hearing somewhere that the
Rockefellers owned it... I can't see the FCC permitting a foriegn
interest such as EMI to own a company that just happens to own a major
broadcasting interest (read: NBC)).  If anyone out there wants a hint,
check the address of the manufacturer on the back of any Capitol
album, then write to them asking for the address; they should have it
around somewhere.

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> 
> >> I just bought Thorn EMI's "Jumbo Jet Pilot," only to discover that
> >> the directions were missing.  The store (liquidator) I bought it
> >> from says, "We don't make exchanges or refunds -- take it up with
> >> the manufacturer."  But without the direction sheet, I don't know
> >> how to get in touch with Thorn EMI.  Can someone help me out?
> >
> >Good luck!  Software companies tend to disbelieve stories about
> >"missing documentation" -- the ol' rip-off copy trick.  I presume
> >you've double-checked the packaging for an address?
> >-- 
> >Doug Pardee -- Terak Corp. -- !{hao,ihnp4,decvax}!noao!terak!doug
> 
> Yes, I've double checked.  As for ripping off, the software is in a
> cartridge, not on a disk, so how am I going to copy it?  The plastic boxes
> of software were not wrapped in clear plastic, so it would have been
> an easy matter for a browser to open the box and take the documentation.
> I wish I had opened the box before buying it.
> 
> I still have no responses giving Thorn EMI's address.
> 
> 	David Smith
> 	{ucbvax!}hplabs!dsmith

David,

I looked at all my game instructions from Thorn and could only find
that they are in England (somewhere). I guess they don't (or didn't)
care to hear any user comments - good or bad! 

I did find a review of one of their games that gave the following as
Thorn's address:

	Thorn-EMI Video
	1370 Avenue of the Americas
	New York, New York 10019

To tell you the truth I found the game to be a real BORE! it takes soooooo
long to get into the air that I lost interest in even trying to get
the flying part of it down (er up?). I think Flight Simulator II is much
better. 

Good Luck!

   Ray Roux
	{ucbvax|decvax}!trwrb!trwspp!spp3!rroux 
	Compuserve [75056,2103]  (mostly weekends)

The Book of Atari Software 1984 gives Thorn EMI's address and phone as

			Thorne EMI Video, Inc.
			1370 Avenue of the Americas
			New York, N.Y. 10019
			(212) 977-8990


I have on several occasions bought cartridge software that was missing
directions, especially if it was bought on a bargain rack somewhere
where little probing hands can open the boxes (E.G., Kaybee toy and
Hobby stores here are dumping all Thorn cartridges, out on a table and
NOT wrapped in plastic).

I have, however, bought Jumbo Jet Pilot (what a dog!), directions and
all.  Xerox and mailing address in hand, I have also been known to
be generous on occasion.

SO, now can we get off the topic of Thorn, piracy, open boxes, ethics
mom and apple pie???

							Ben Weber