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Started by JAMES HAYES
Fri, 18 Jan 1985 06:31
MacTari at C.E.S. (MacIntari? Atarmac?)
Author: JAMES HAYES
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 1985 06:31
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 1985 06:31
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While is Las Vegas, I had the experience of seeing what I think will
be a problem to Apple. A big problem.
They are billed as the ATARI 130ST (128K)
-and- ATARI 150ST (512K).. {Sound familiar so far?}
Here's the poop:
Disk-Drives:
3.5 inch with 250K or 500K(REALLY!)
3.5 inch HARD-DISK. (OPTIONAL)
Printer:
Color Dot Matrix, Non Impact, 50CPS (Thermal Transfer)
Daisy Wheel Letter Quality, 12CPS (Impact, what else?)
Dot Matrix, 80CPS (Impact)
Monitors:
12" High Resolution, Monochrome
12" RGB Color (High resolution, needless to say..)
Memory:
128K
512K (No specs. on speed given.)
196k OF ROM!!! (Expandable to 523k of ROM!!) {No more loading!}
Display:
Individually addressable 32K bit-mapped screen
3 graphics modes
329 x 200 in 16 colors \
-512 Colors (8 levels of Red, Blue, Green)
640 x 200 in 4 colors /
640 x 400 in monochrome
Architecture:
16/32 bit Motorola 68000 microprocessor
8 32 bit data regs.
8 32 bit address regs.
16 bit data bus
24 bit address bus
7 levels of interupts
56 instructions
14 addressing modes
5 data types
Data Storage:
High-speed hard-disk interface
DMA at 1.33 Megs a second!
Cartridge access
Integrated Floppy Disk controller (IFD=IWM from Apple)
Sound and Music:
30 Hz to above audible range
3 voices (channels for tri-phonic sound)
Separate frequency and volume controls
Dynamic envelope controls, ADSR, and noise.
"MIDI" (?) interface to hook up synthesizers
Keyboard:
Ergonomic height and angle
18 key-numeric keypad
Separate CPU to run keyboard
10 function keys
Undo, Help, Backspace, Insert, Clear/Home, CTRL, ESC, Caps-lock
Video Ports:
Standard Television (RF)
Low-res composite video (NTSC)
Medium-res (RGB)
High-res (ATARIchrome monitor)
Communications:
Centronics
RS-232C
High-speed hard disk interface
Joystick ports (2) one for mouse (TWO BUTTONS.)
Languages:
BASIC
LOGO
(more to be announced.)
BASIC SYSTEM:
**************
* < 1,000 $$ *
**************
Overall impressions?
Favorable. When I walked by the Atari booth, I mistook the display
for a MacIntosh. My curiosity was piqued. (at least!)
The Atari Finder was up and running while an Atari rep. was
demonstrating. I wanted to play, but go caught. "DON'T TOUCH
PLEASE!"
Anyway, Apple has something to worry about.
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Re: MacTari at C.E.S. (MacIntari? Atarmac?)
Author: Richard Furuta
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 1985 08:38
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 1985 08:38
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In article <1346@sdcc7.UUCP> ee65xdh@sdcc7.UUCP (JAMES HAYES) writes:
>While is Las Vegas, I had the experience of seeing what I think will
>be a problem to Apple. A big problem.
>
>They are billed as the ATARI 130ST (128K)
> -and- ATARI 150ST (512K).. {Sound familiar so far?}
...
>Overall impressions?
>
>Favorable. When I walked by the Atari booth, I mistook the display
>for a MacIntosh. My curiosity was piqued. (at least!)
>
>The Atari Finder was up and running while an Atari rep. was
>demonstrating. I wanted to play, but go caught. "DON'T TOUCH
>PLEASE!"
>
>Anyway, Apple has something to worry about.
>
>
There have been a number of articles posted to this group and to fa.info-mac
recently describing this machine. A number of the authors have also
indicated that they think that "Apple is in trouble."
I tend to doubt it. For one, if I remember correctly, the Atari machine is
promising to deliver in the last quarter of this year. That's quite a time
away and given the history of this past year, I'd expect that there are
going to be many new interesting price adjustments (that will probably annoy
those of us who've already purchased Macs) as Apple announces new versions
in the line. Second, this is capitalism we have here and Apple is talking
about spending something like $100 million on advertising this year. I
doubt that Atari is going to even come close to matching it.
I tend to hold my judgement on a machine that exists in prototype form with
a configuration that isn't stable enough that passers-by aren't allowed to
touch.
There's a couple of pretty subtle factors that play in here, in addition to
the sledgehammer of $100 million advertising. One is that the packaging of
the Atari system sounds like it is going to be far more traditional one with
many little pieces as opposed to the Macintosh's bundled design. This might
not seem important to us, but I suspect that the more pieces you break the
computer into, the more potential customers you alienate. I don't know if
Apple really understood what they were doing with the Mac's packaging, but
they seem to have wound up with a unit with an appearance that is
surprisingly non-threatening to the computer novice. The early reports
sound like Atari's system isn't as strong in this respect.
My belief is that Consumers' Reports is right this time. The power of the
Macintosh is that it has managed to provide an easily accessible entry for
the many people who want to use computers but who are put off by the
complexity of other systems' hardware and software. I've heard too many
stories about people who had previously refused to use computers who
subsequently enjoyed using the Macintosh to doubt Consumers' Reports this
time. The things that bug us, like the slowness in starting up an
application, are quite irrelevant.
The indication seems to be that Apple plans to go for the high end market
(read "business") this year (witness the fact that they actually ran that
heavy handed ad with the lemming-like business people walking off of a
cliff). I suspect the effect of this on the low-end market is going to be
that the 128K Mac is still going to be viewed as a high quality computer by
the general public and one that one should aspire to own. I doubt that
Atari is going to be able to get a similar kind of image for their system.
--Rick
Re: MacTari at C.E.S. (MacIntari? Atarmac?)
Author: David HM Spector
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 1985 21:32
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 1985 21:32
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One problem. Its not compatible with the Macintosh. That alone will ring its death knell. Remember, by the time Tramiel's machines make the marketplace (IF they make it there), it will be late spring. There will be many hundreds, of not thousands of packages for the Macintosh. There are already hundreds of commercial packages, and thousands of public domain programs out there. Another important point. Lotus is not going to re-write Jazz for Atari. - David HM Spector NYU/acf Systems Group Arpa: Spector@nyu-cmcl1.ARPA UUCP: ...!allegra!cmcl2!cmcl1!spector
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