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Article #5371Re: PC/AT fast xtal warning
From: Doug Pardee
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1986 19:59
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1986 19:59
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> In working through this and a few related problems, I picked up a lot of
> folk lore concerning the relative quality of various chips (i.e. Intel
> 8237s are good, AMD's are bad; Fujitsu 41256-15s are better than OKIs; ...)
> This folk lore did not discriminate between spec and pushed environments.
> Are there real [significant] differences? I am a bit surprised, especially
> if true about licensed second source suppliers.
Yes indeed. Sometimes the differences are "documented" in the spec
sheets. I've encountered this with PALs (tm) -- one manufacturer specs
theirs as somewhat slower than MMI's "standard". I've seen it with one
manufacturer's FAST (tm) logic: one part had much lower input loading
than Fairchild's "standard" part, making the input lines susceptible to
noise on a board where Fairchild's part worked fine.
Sometimes there are undocumented differences. I've seen a problem with
a 10K ECL part obtained from a second source which didn't occur with the
Motorola MECL part. The second sourced part had problems during initial
power-up, and wasn't reliable until each input changed state once.
Sometimes it's simply an ability to produce a faster part; AMD is a
second-source for the iAPX86 CPU's, but they seem to produce a given
speed part a few months before Intel does.
And DRAMs! I'm beginning to think that no two DRAM chips are inter-
changeable, even from the same manufacturer 1/2 :-) Aw, the spec
sheets are nearly identical, but their behavior is something else.
[Vision of Wendy's TV ad: "What *kind* of parts?" "Parts is parts."]
--
Doug Pardee -- CalComp -- {hardy,savax,seismo,decvax,ihnp4}!terak!doug
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Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site terak.UUCP Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabs!hao!noao!terak!doug From: doug@terak.UUCP (Doug Pardee) Newsgroups: net.micro.pc Subject: Re: PC/AT fast xtal warning Message-ID: <996@terak.UUCP> Date: Fri, 17-Jan-86 14:59:27 EST Article-I.D.: terak.996 Posted: Fri Jan 17 14:59:27 1986 Date-Received: Mon, 20-Jan-86 05:39:13 EST References: <604@harvard.UUCP> <1101@ptsfa.UUCP> Organization: Calcomp Display Products Division, Scottsdale, AZ, USA Lines: 30