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Re: King Arthur

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From: N.R.HASLOCK
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1985 03:02
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Mea Culpa, or as accurately translated  'Me a culprit'.

A few days ago I made a set of pronouncements which a look in my
Encyclopedia Britannica shows to be utter swill.

44 bc	Ceasar came, saw, and left in disgust.
45 ad	Three legions arrive and remain despite disust.
122 ad	Hadrian has a wall built and named after him. It runs from
	Carlisle to Newcastle on Tyne ( approximately )
145 ad	Antonius has a go a conquering scotland currently the home
	of the Picts. He has a wall built from the Solway Firth to
	the Firth of Forth. This is a cheap wall, only 20 miles as
	opposed to Hadrians 70 miles.

	He also has a legion wandering off north of the wall.
180 ad	The picts in all areas north of hadrians wall rise in
	revolt. The legions retreat.
225 ad	The work of revamping and repairing Hadrians wall is
	started. No further messing about north of this wall.
340 ad	Troops start to be recalled to Rome. Raids by Saxons and
	Scotti are noticable and lead to a series of coastal forts
	and watchtowers being built along the east coast.
360 ad	Saxons are hired to defend against saxon raiders.
400 ad	Last traces of rule from Rome are gone. Raids increase.
	Celts pushed west to West Wales ( Now called Cornwall )
	and North Wales ( Now called Wales ).
439 ad	Saxon Kingdom of Kent founded.
449 ad	Celts from West Wales raid and occupy Brittany
517 ad	Mons Badonicus - Arthur's Last Battle. Peace for 44 years.
	( the book notes that the battle was 517 minus 15 to 20
	years )

Other Blunders.
	Mercia is the Danish kingdom centered on Newcastle-on-Tyne
	Wessex is the Saxon kingdom centered on Bristol, Bath or
	possibly Oxford.
	The kingdom of Kent became Sussex as it spread along the 
	south coast.
	The Danes moved in earlier than I thought but not early
	enough to figure in the Arthur legend.

Possible Truths.
	The celtic name for fort, camp or castle is Caer or Car.
	Chester, cester and caster are all saxon derivatives.
	I do not believe that the danes went in for fortified
	towns and so did not leave specific place name derivatives.
	Note that 90+% of the  roman names have been replaced,
	e.g.	Chester		was Deva
		Bath		was Auae Sulis
		York		was Eboracum
		Colchester	was Camoludunum

	London was Londinium ( was Londres or Logres?? )

If this discussion continues, I will look up Geoffrey of Monmouths
version of history and post that. Regardless of anything else it is
the earliest relevant document and{so obscure chukOnks of it have
been validated.
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Subject: Re: King Arthur
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Summary: Revised history of roman britain