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Re: A modest proposal

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From: Dick Karpinski
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1985 22:15
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In article <274@l5.uucp> laura@l5.UUCP (Laura Creighton) writes:
>In article <1863@hao.UUCP> woods@hao.UUCP (Greg Woods) writes:
>>
>>  On the contrary, that modifier is the entire issue. If you consider
>>a fetus to be life from the moment of conception, and I or someone
>>else happens to disagree, what on earth goves *you* the right to
>>impose YOUR belief on everyone else? What GALL! What an ego! You
>>think you can determine morality for everyone. Your way is best for
>>everyone. People like that make me want to puke.
>
>Greg, you are not thinking straight.  If a fetus is human being, then
>abortions are murder.  If a fetus is not a human being, then they are
> ...
>Laura Creighton

Laura, I guess I think you are only partly right.  Greg was confused.
Greg did not seem to realize that the essence of effective civilization
is to avoid unnecessary constraint on others to live together in
adequate harmony.  What you seem to advocate instead is that the full
weight of our most repressive social force should be employed to
suppress activity which a minority evaluates as murder.

Rather than avoiding murder, you advocate that many many people
should be accused of murder.  If the penalty be death, then are you
not similarly liable to accusation of murder for these new deaths?

The argument which takes no cognizance of other aspects is doomed.
The world is very complicated, and trying to simplify it by taking
absolutist, single minded approaches to complex issues can only
further polarize and harden peoples positions.  This does not seem
to lead to resolution of the conflicts.  If you see a way that you
could be led to a broader view of this abortion issue, please let
others know, that they may lead you to enlightenment and joy.

Would it help to know that throughout our human history, the law
regarding abortion has very seldom been the same as the law about
murder.  Freedom of individual choice is another major principle
which we tend to emphasize (and I agree) in Western culture.
Allow others more latitude and life will improve for you, too.

Dick

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From: dick@ucsfcca.UUCP (Dick Karpinski)
Newsgroups: net.suicide,net.religion,net.abortion
Subject: Re: A modest proposal
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Date: Sat, 23-Nov-85 17:15:52 EST
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Posted: Sat Nov 23 17:15:52 1985
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