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Re: Suicide (there's nothing macho about a dead body)

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From: The Polymath
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1985 18:24
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In article <57@mit-amt.MIT.EDU> simsong@mit-amt.MIT.EDU (Simson Garfinkel) writes:
>In article <57@ttidcc.UUCP>, hollombe@ttidcc.UUCP (The Polymath) writes:
>> I find the current tone of the discussion in  this  group  disturbing.  The
>> gist  of  what  I'm  reading  seems  to  be there's something macho about a
>> successful suicide while those who try and fail are spineless  wimps.  That
>> has  to  be the stupidest attitude I've encountered in some time and I hope
>> I'm misinterpreting it.
>
>Definately, I'm sure that the discussion has gotten out of hand.

Definitely what?  I'm misinterpreting or the attitude is stupid?

>If, in your opinion, suicide can never be justified on psychological reasons
>(e.g.: you're depressed, or your family has died, or something like that)
>can it be justified on physical ones, like you have an incurable disease
>(something quite common these days with AIDS and all) or you have a physical
>handicap? (I know that these two cases are not the same).

I didn't say suicide can  never  be  justified  on  psychological  grounds.
Never  is  a  word I seldom use in any case, and using it here would create
the situation I was criticizing:  Judging people in ignorance of the facts.

In the end, those who live and those who die all make their own  decisions,
based  on  their  perceptions  of their situations.  To hang labels such as
"justified", "cowardly",  etc.,  on  any  individual,  even  with  intimate
knowledge  of  their circumstances, is presumptuous in the extreme.  To put
such labels on a group of people in absence of  any  facts  about  them  is
unconscionable and says more about the labeler than the people labeled.

That is the point I'm trying to make.

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From: hollombe@ttidcc.UUCP (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: net.suicide
Subject: Re: Suicide (there's nothing macho about a dead body)
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Date: Tue, 17-Dec-85 13:24:39 EST
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Posted: Tue Dec 17 13:24:39 1985
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