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The Caspian Sea of Misinformation

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From: Barbara J. Orlando-Bimmler
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1986 05:57
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Well, now. udenva!fcarmody (Princess Caspian) speaks:

> 1) While it remains an opinion, I and (I believe) many others hold suicide
> as an act should be illegal and prevented at any cost.  For me, this 
> is also a "case 2" opinion.... (I.E. opinion held by God=LAW... See my
> disclaimer....)

Your disclaimer is made implicit by your parens.  Around here, God!=LAW.
alice!god moved west several years ago, and hasn't held much sway since.
alice!law is a secretary who has no relationship to alice!god, who is
effectively dead, anyway.

> 3) Net policy forbids both requests and responses as to information
> on *how to perform illegal acts*.  (I am not trying to net.admin
> here.  See below.  For now, please take it that I am *stating a fact*
> and leave it at that....)

False.  You're stating a fact and putting asterisks around it.  Accuracy matters.

> 4) The fact that the poster who started all this (sorry if I can't
> remember your name at the moment) requested info on an illegal act
> (painless suicide) without a smiley etc. represents some form 
> of *intent*.   Intent to suicide should not be bypassed.

Correct.  Intent to suicide should be cloverleafed.  What are you
talking about??

> The "illegality" as far as the net policy violation represented by
> his request should of course be ignored.  As most of the people
> in this group are no doubt aware, *this was a cry for help*....

Are all cries for help in asterisks?  This might help interpretation of
future messages.

> 5) It is my considered opinion that some poster(s) have been 
> positively *cruel* in actually offering this person suggestions
> as to painless methods.  That seems tantamount to saying,
> "If you really want to, go ahead....here's how!"

Right.

> Whoever you are, you have not only spit in the face of net policy,
> but also *at least* severely shocked a potential suicide.
> *THINK: Someone may now be *dead* because of your "advice".

Wrong.  Even people depressed enough to want to commit suicide can't
be so hard up they (1) need and (2) pay attention to netnews!

Thanks for straightening us out, there, Princess.  We'll all breathe
a little easier.  Well, those of us still breathing will.


					BJO-B
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From: bjob@alice.UucP (Barbara J. Orlando-Bimmler)
Newsgroups: net.suicide
Subject: The Caspian Sea of Misinformation
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Date: Thu, 13-Mar-86 00:57:17 EST
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Posted: Thu Mar 13 00:57:17 1986
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