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I someone says to me "How do you rob a store?", and I say "Go into
the store with a gun and demand money.", am I breaking the law?  Some
things are so obvious that iterating them here on the net cannot
possibly be illegal.  What about freedom of speach?

Sean
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     "Who's `we', sucker?"

>This discussion of painless suicide methods has gotten unnerving to me.
>I know there was a *big* discussion recently on "should it be legal?"

>3) Net policy forbids both requests and responses as to information
>on *how to perform illegal acts*.  (I am not trying to net.admin
>here.  See below.  For now, please take it that I am *stating a fact*
>and leave it at that....)

Don't get bent out of shape about the discussion.  It's all been academic
so far.

I can't think of a method of suicide that is totally painless, including
death while unconcsious because there will probably be stress involved
until one goes under (no pun intended).  I would guess that the
schizophrenics have it easy.  Half the mind could decide on suicide
without the other half knowing anything about it.  My suggestion to
the original poster is to go crazy first and then you'll have nothing
to worry about.

	Roses are red,
	Viloets are blue;
	I'm schizophrenic,
	And I am too.

    Miles Murdocca, 4G-538, AT&T Bell Laboratories, Crawfords Corner Rd,
    Holmdel, NJ, 07733, (201) 949-2504, ...{ihnp4}!vax135!miles

In article <1326@vax135.UUCP> miles@vax135.UUCP (Miles Murdocca) writes:
[...]
>Don't get bent out of shape about the discussion.  It's all been academic
>so far.
>
>I can't think of a method of suicide that is totally painless, including
>death while unconcsious because there will probably be stress involved
>until one goes under (no pun intended).  I would guess that the
>schizophrenics have it easy.  Half the mind could decide on suicide
>without the other half knowing anything about it.  My suggestion to
>the original poster is to go crazy first and then you'll have nothing
>to worry about.
>
>	Roses are red,
>	Viloets are blue;
>	I'm schizophrenic,
>	And I am too.
>
>    Miles Murdocca, 4G-538, AT&T Bell Laboratories, Crawfords Corner Rd,
>    Holmdel, NJ, 07733, (201) 949-2504, ...{ihnp4}!vax135!miles


As long as current discussions have been in flame mode,

	1.  You are describing a rare neurotic condition known as split
personality, not the relatively common, psychotic condition known as
schizophrenia, which is a cognitive disorder.  Approximately 1 in every
100 people in the U.S. are afflicted with schizophrenia.
	2.  If you were schizophrenic, you probably wouldn't be making fun of
it.  The prognosis for people with the affliction is poor, and if the
condition occurs before the age of 30, the prognosis is almost hopeless.
Having worked in a pilot project aimed at keeping young schizophrenics
out of the institutions and functioning independently in mainstream
society, I can say that my impression of people with the disease is one
of courage that isn't seen in "normal" people, and oftentimes one of
exemplary humanity, as well.  If there is a hell on earth, these people
are in it, through no fault of their own.  Their suicide rates are also
very high, although I can't remember any figures on it.
	3.  If you feel so secure in and superior due to your own mental
health, may I suggest that you do some volunteer work with these people.
Mental health is a precious state to be protected and nourished, becuase
it is so easily lost. The difference between "them" and "us" is a
matter of degree, and that's about it.  One can learn a lot about being
human from these people.  If you're lucky, you may even grow through
their pain, rather than having to experience it yourself.

Grrrrrr,
	Robert L. Ziegler

In article <1216@udenva.UUCP> fcarmody@udenva.UUCP (Prince Caspian) writes:
>4) The fact that the poster who started all this (sorry if I can't
>remember your name at the moment) requested info on an illegal act
>(painless suicide) without a smiley etc. represents some form 
>of *intent*.   Intent to suicide should not be bypassed.
>The "illegality" as far as the net policy violation represented by
>his request should of course be ignored.  As most of the people
>in this group are no doubt aware, *this was a cry for help*....

First of all, I believe that it is a person's right to kill himself,
and that suicide is a valid option to take to end a life of suffering.
Second, the original poster said something like "out of morbid
curiosity", which indicates that he was not interested in killing
himself.  Some people do prefer to use the English language to express
what they mean rather than relying on keyboard graphics.

>5) It is my considered opinion that some poster(s) have been 
>positively *cruel* in actually offering this person suggestions
>as to painless methods.  That seems tantamount to saying,
>"If you really want to, go ahead....here's how!"
>Whoever you are, you have not only spit in the face of net policy,
>but also *at least* severely shocked a potential suicide.
>*THINK: Someone may now be *dead* because of your "advice".
>I don't really care whether you thought you were making a joke or 
>not....*you can't afford to assume they weren't serious in 
>the intent to end their life!*

If I wanted to kill myself and asked for information on how to do
so in a painless way, I would consider it cruel for someone to
lecture me on how wrong he thought suicide to be.

>I believe there is an apology due somewhere....

It seems that the only person offended is you, and if you find the
discussion of suicide distasteful, you can always hit the 'n' key,
or unsubscribe from the newsgroup.

					Leonard Bottleman
					ihnp4!akgua!cylixd!elf

	"Like, for this cat, the only reality is death."

I would imagine people with split personalities would have a suicide rate
oh,maybe 2,3,4 or even 5 times average ... 8-)(