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Article #22Re: Navy Document Interchange Format (DIF) and Xerox 8010 "STAR"
From: michael b maxwell
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1985 21:41
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1985 21:41
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In article <423@imsvax.UUCP> ted@imsvax.UUCP (Ted Holden) writes:
> ...the Xerox 8010 "Star". This, or it's
> newest incarnation, the Xerox 6085, soon to be announced, is the
> world's ultimate typesetting, graphics, and publication quality
> word-processing system. Anything which can be done slowly and
> painfully with TROFF or any of it's derivatives, can be done with
> a few keystrokes on the 8010, exactly like using any other
> word-processor functions. The 8010 beats the hell out of TROFF or
> any other such package. The 8010 incorporates a 1024x1024
> graphics screen; typesetting functions appear WYSIWYG on the
> screen, and its graphics are good enough for CAD-CAM. Math
> symbols, Greek letters, the Cyrillic alphabet, Kanji characters
> etc. all come easily to the 8010. Anyone who has used an 8010
> would get violently ill if he ever had to use TROFF again.
Well, I have a slightly different opinion. I've used NROFF (not,
admittedly, TROFF), and Stars. The Stars are fine if you don't have any
fancy formatting to do. BUT--if you want any of the following:
1. footnotes (as opposed to endnotes)
2. automatically numbered foot- or endnotes
3. automatic section numbering
4. automatic figure numbering
5. cross-references to any of the numbers in (2-4) which will
automatically change when the original number changes (e.g.
if you insert a new figure between fig. 2 and fig. 3, and
later in the paper you refer to "figure 3"--now "figure 4")
6. reverse-indent paragraphs (I'm not talking about paragraphs
like these, with a hanging tag, but rather about paragraphs
in which the first line is "undented" a fixed number of
spaces regardless of the length of the first word--e.g. as
in some common bibliography formats)
All of the above are common in "scholarly" papers, and I suspect in many
other disciplines too (TV scripts, plays, ...). If I'm doing funny
alphabets, then yes, I think I like the Star. But it's a horror if I
have some particular format I have to follow. I suspect there are
other thinks it can't do, but maybe there is a work-around, so I won't
show my ignorance. A Star probably could be made to do most of the above
by suitable reprogramming, although I've long wondered how a WYSIWYG WP could
do #5. Until it/ they do, I guess I'll have to stick with N/Troff for some of
my papers. I.e. use a screw-driver for screws, and a chisel for...
--
Mike Maxwell
Boeing Artificial Intelligence Center
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Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/17/84; site bcsaic.UUCP Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!houxm!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!ssc-vax!bcsaic!michaelm From: michaelm@bcsaic.UUCP (michael b maxwell) Newsgroups: net.text Subject: Re: Navy Document Interchange Format (DIF) and Xerox 8010 "STAR" Message-ID: <329@bcsaic.UUCP> Date: Fri, 11-Oct-85 17:41:43 EDT Article-I.D.: bcsaic.329 Posted: Fri Oct 11 17:41:43 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 14-Oct-85 04:25:15 EDT References: <423@imsvax.UUCP> Reply-To: michaelm@bcsaic.UUCP (michael b maxwell) Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle Lines: 43