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Article #302What son-of-rfc-1036 should say about "Distribution:"
From: Tom Limoncelli
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 04:15
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 04:15
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[ I don't think I'm saying anything new in this post. Every time this header gets debated people say the same things. I've listened to the discussions before, and now I'm going to try to post what I feel is a minimal consensus compromise. Henry can take it or leave it. ] I would like to propose the following compromise: In the son of RFC 1036 (is that the right number? I'm a bit sleepy tonight), I with that only the following two forms were permitted: Distribution: real.news.group.name and Distribution: word "real.news.group.name": Passes the message if the neighbor would get this newsgroup. (this won't slow things down since all modern software uses a fast function to answer this question). [ i.e. For posting to news.answers,alt.sex but restricting it to only where alt.sex is found. Or, posting to comp.misc.unix but only where comp.lang.perl is found (hey, what a great way to hide from the "DOS-perl" weenies!) ] "word": Passes the message if the distribution is listed in the distribution field of sys or newsfeeds or whatever. [ i.e. the flat namespace that we all love to hate. ] These two things are compatible with most news software. (or could be added to INN very quickly.) What would be "quietly" removed from the RFC (or the unwritten list of bizarre RFC interpretations that news systems have propagated.) - attempts to use a hierarchy (foo.bar, when there is a foo.bar.bat but no foo.bar) as a distribution. - attempts to use multiple words in the Distribution: header or "!" and other pseudo-operations. - attempts to use the "big seven" (comp,misc,...) as distributions. Why reduce the functionality? It reduces "Distribution:" to the most basic functionality. Using "Distribution:" for anything fancy just doesn't work. This is always the conclusion when this header is discussed in any technical forum. Why not fix the functionality? Because nobody has been able to "push the envelope" successfully beyond what was listed above. Any hopeful ideas resulted in total incompatibility. AN INCOMPATIBILITY??? WE CAN'T HAVE THAT HERE!! THIS IS USENET!!! Yes, I agree (ha ha, only serious). If people want to "push the Distribution: envelope" they'll have to invent a new header. Doing so would not be too difficult. The difficulty would be to define what problem needs to be solved. In the past couple of years I've posted a number of "solutions looking for problems" that would be good candidates for a new header. However, I don't feel that anything new should be invented in the son-of-1036 RFC, as I want to see it get finished some time this year. After it is done, and people start talking about completely new features for a son-of-son-of-1036, then I'll repeat the suggestions that I've made/heard in the past; some will get tested; and the ones that work will be added to son-of-son-of-1036. What do y'all think? Tom -- Tom Limoncelli -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work) -- tal@plts.uucp (play) Unix is a trademark of, WHATT????
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!news.mentorg.com!sdl!not-for-mail From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) Newsgroups: news.admin.misc Subject: What son-of-rfc-1036 should say about "Distribution:" Date: 8 Jan 1993 23:15:27 -0500 Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group Lines: 70 Message-ID: <1iljgvINNgnm@sdl.Warren.MENTORG.COM> References: <BETSYS.93Jan7152208@ra.cs.umb.edu> <C0J09s.828@zoo.toronto.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sdl.warren.mentorg.com