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mitchell@earthling.net wrote:
> 
> They unhesitatingly provide free software.  They "promise" a local call
> via modem:  The "local" number is selected by Juno.
> I recently received my telephone bill, and it is not exactly Local, but
> "Local Toll" [for my ~ten calls, I don't yet have the costs.
>         Naturally, tech support doesn't answer my inquiries, since "to keep
> service free, services must be cut to the bone".
> 
> Don't want to be cynical:  Any chance that Juno is in bed with in-state
> long distance providers, to "insure" that Juno's software selects not a
> _local_ but a _local toll_ number for its users?
> 
> Any other experiences with Juno??

It's sort of funny to see a complaint about a free email service!

My wife uses Juno to keep in contact with several relatives who
also use it. It is excellent! Ours is a local call. Even if it
weren't, the upload and download time only takes a few seconds, unless
you've subscribed to some huge mailing lists.

Don K.
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>mitchell@earthling.net wrote:
>> 
>> They unhesitatingly provide free software.  They "promise" a local call
>> via modem:  The "local" number is selected by Juno.
>> I recently received my telephone bill, and it is not exactly Local, but
>> "Local Toll" [for my ~ten calls, I don't yet have the costs.
>>         Naturally, tech support doesn't answer my inquiries, since "to keep
>> service free, services must be cut to the bone".
>> 
>> Don't want to be cynical:  Any chance that Juno is in bed with in-state
>> long distance providers, to "insure" that Juno's software selects not a
>> _local_ but a _local toll_ number for its users?
>> 
>> Any other experiences with Juno??

You could have simply checked in your phone book to see if it was a local call 
before letting Juno set it as your primary dialer. That's what I did when I 
set up an account for my mother. Both the numbers they recommended were local. 

There's a list of exchanges that are local to you in the "doing business with 
us" section of Bell Atlantic phone books, or call your phone co. for a list of 
local exchanges.  Their software does the best it can, but with all the 
changes going on in NJ Tel, I can imagine it's very difficult. But in the end 
it's YOU that choses the number, not Juno. The software just recommends the 
one it thinks is best. If it's not local, just call up the full list and 
select one that is. 

If they don't have a local number to you, just don't sign up for the service, 
it's that simple. 

On Sun, 24 May 1998 14:57:31 GMT, mitchell@earthling.net wrote:

>They unhesitatingly provide free software.  They "promise" a local call
>via modem:  The "local" number is selected by Juno.
>I recently received my telephone bill, and it is not exactly Local, but
>"Local Toll" [for my ~ten calls, I don't yet have the costs.
>	Naturally, tech support doesn't answer my inquiries, since "to keep
>service free, services must be cut to the bone".
>
>Don't want to be cynical:  Any chance that Juno is in bed with in-state
>long distance providers, to "insure" that Juno's software selects not a
>_local_ but a _local toll_ number for its users?
>
>Any other experiences with Juno??

Every ISP tells you "it is up to you to make sure that calls to our
POP's are, in fact, local". Of course, toll calls to Juno are not as
big an issue as say toll calls to Netcom or another ISP. You aren't
going to spend several hours looking at newspapers or listening to
RealAudio on Juno. You can always respond to Juno email through
another route, giving your Juno address as a from: address.

I believe Juno is currently renting grid.net's POP's, as are
Mindspring and NTR.NET.

If you need another email address, why not use one of the free webmail
or POP3 addresses that you can access through your ISP? You might even
be able to access web mail through your local library--some library's
have dial-up card catalogs with the text-only web browser Lynx.

(Make sure that Lynx works with the webmail service. One thing I
dislike about most webmail services is that you can't see the headers
on spam. Hotmail let's you see most of the headers, but not on
direct-to-MX spam such as is generated by Rapidfire Mail Server.)

I've had no problem with Juno on access.  You have the option, if you don;t like
the phone numbers that the software selects, to look for a more suitable number
yourself.  I had to do this with my alternate access number-they always gave me a
number more distant than the one I preferred, which was in Atlantic City.  I had
no more than a 50 cent
charge for the few times I could not get into my main access number.  My only
gripe with Juno was the unbelieveable amount of spam I received-by the time I
cancelled, I was getting nothing but spam!

Ed Senior
Don K. wrote:

> mitchell@earthling.net wrote:
> >
> > They unhesitatingly provide free software.  They "promise" a local call
> > via modem:  The "local" number is selected by Juno.
> > I recently received my telephone bill, and it is not exactly Local, but
> > "Local Toll" [for my ~ten calls, I don't yet have the costs.
> >         Naturally, tech support doesn't answer my inquiries, since "to keep
> > service free, services must be cut to the bone".
> >
> > Don't want to be cynical:  Any chance that Juno is in bed with in-state
> > long distance providers, to "insure" that Juno's software selects not a
> > _local_ but a _local toll_ number for its users?
> >
> > Any other experiences with Juno??

The amount of spam I get with juno.com in the from line
is massive. Like a lot of users, I simply send everything
from or proporting to be from free email accounts like
juno.com, hotmail.com, etc. straight to dev/null.


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In article <6krobs$dm1@shell1.interlog.com>,
karl mamer   <kamamer@//cutthis//interlog.com> wrote:
>The amount of spam I get with juno.com in the from line
>is massive. Like a lot of users, I simply send everything
>from or proporting to be from free email accounts like
>juno.com, hotmail.com, etc. straight to dev/null.

Instead of that, try dropping anything with a juno.com, hotmail.com,
or aol.com from line that doesn't have those domains in the Received
lines.  Works pretty well, except for mailing lists - needs further
work ;-).
-- 
Chris Lewis, CyberSheriff (CBC says I am, so it must be true!)

For more information on spam, see http://spam.abuse.net/spam
Fight spam, support Rep. Chris Smith's TCPA extension: http://www.cauce.org

On Tue, 2 Jun 1998 04:28:38 GMT, Chris Lewis <clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca> 
wrote...

> In article <6krobs$dm1@shell1.interlog.com>,
> karl mamer   <kamamer@//cutthis//interlog.com> wrote:
> >The amount of spam I get with juno.com in the from line
> >is massive. Like a lot of users, I simply send everything
> >from or proporting to be from free email accounts like
> >juno.com, hotmail.com, etc. straight to dev/null.
> 
> Instead of that, try dropping anything with a juno.com, hotmail.com,
> or aol.com from line that doesn't have those domains in the Received
> lines.  Works pretty well, except for mailing lists - needs further
> work ;-).

Most major mailing list packages will keep at least some of the original
Received lines in tact. Those that don't should be shunned anyways.

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Geez, DC comes through with flying colours.  I [almost] miss you.
I am halfway between NY and Philly and in a fringe zone, perhaps pure
local number is N/A.  By the way, every State telephone system seems
disparit.  For instance, in NJ even calls to same area code can be long
distance [or at least, local-toll].
I am am a _strict_ budget.  And I check on "local calls more often than
not.  My new cell phone, _oy vey!_  PC banking, new isp, Juno.  Heck at
a quarter a minute.
Well thank you all for discussion.  You _are_ the best!
mitch
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