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In <1gnbq0INN6d3@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens) writes:

+>In article <visser.724483820@convex.convex.com>, visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
+>|> 	He has managed to do a great deal of damage to soc.history
+>|> and soc.culture.europe as groups by his postings.  There is nothing
+>|> than can be done about it though.

+>If it's really as bad as you say it is (and, given what I've seen of his
+>postings, I have no reason to doubt you), then why hasn't the site from which
+>he posts shut off his posting access?

+>If the site from which he posts is sympathetic to his behavior (unfortunately,
+>there are propaganda sites that support such activities) , then why haven't
+>their feed sites cut them off?

	The chain by which he gets on the net is:

	zuma.uucp->anatolia.uucp->uunet

	UUNET does not care about anything except the blood money they get
	for pumping his racism out on the net.  There is no way to pressure 
	them that I can think of.

	anatolia.uucp is run by Argic's close personal friend and 
	probable ideological soul-mate.  

	zuma.uucp may or may not even exist.  Its only connection to the
	outside world is news through anatolia.uucp which is a valid (on
	the maps) site.  

	I will say that I have not verified that this is still the path that
	the argic articles are arriving on the net from for a couple of 
	months.  Things may of changed.

	The whole reason multu became Argic and they went to this complicated
	system of uucp is that people were pressureing the sysadmins.





+>He's clearly violating both the spirit and letter of the etiquette and posting
+>rules found in news.announce.newusers and (by and large) accepted by people. 
+>So why does he still have posting access?

	There was an arguement about rules in news.admin a while back and 
the consensus was that his postings did not exactly break any rules. 
The biggest problem is that there is no way to know IF zuma.uucp (Argic's 
home machine) is real without access to anatolia.uucp.  And based on 
current information, the sysadmin has to be given the benifit of the
doubt as to its existance.  There is nothing in the rules that says you
can't have a news-but-no-mail uucp gateway between one machine and the
net.
 
	The people pretending to be Argic did make exactly one concession
in the past year.  They set the followup line to force all responses to
soc.culture.turkish.