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Article #174Re: A R G I C allows itself far too much
From: Ken Bibb
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:52
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:52
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In <1992Dec28.185055.18248@muddcs.claremont.edu> irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith) writes: >Ken Bibb (kbibb@maui.qualfomm.com) writes: >> But can [Uunet] refuse service because a *human* isn't behind the posts? >Tim Pierce (twpierce@unix.amherst.edu) replies: >> Who can prove that? I don't believe it's true. I'd lay money that >> Argic's choice of messages to follow up is motivated by a similar kind >> of pattern-scanning mechanism to Kibo's (i.e. find /usr/spool/news >> -exec grep -i turk) but I think that someone actually attempts to >> write at least some of the prose. >While the text was certainly written by a human at some point, it appears >that posts are being made without any human interaction. That is, the poster >is not only pattern-scanning, but is also auto-posting replies based on the >results of the scan. I've sent a couple of messages to this group and >soc.culture.turkish in an attempt to gather evidence for this hypothesis, >and it's pretty convincing. This morning's effort should be fairly >conclusive if Argic is in fact just a machine. Don't forget the postings to articles on Thanksgiving turkey. And I had a completely unrelated followup to the aforementioned article. >> But besides that, why should it? UUNET's job is to funnel news to and >> from paying customers. Why should it decline that service from >> anatolia just because someone's put an automaton behind it? >I don't know enough about UUNET or the legality/morality of flooding the net >with posts, and Argic is "flooding" a small enough segment that this >probably isn't a problem. What if someone set up a daemon to follow up to >every post made to every group by quoting the entire post, and adding the >single line "Good points, John" or "I disagree, John" (chosen randomly) at >the bottom? Given the equipment to do this quickly, this could effectively >double the size of Usenet overnight. What if it posted five or ten followups >to every message? What if it started following up to its own followups? >Imminent death of the net predicted! (grin) Small enough segment? Take a look in news.lists: he's made the top 10 for number of posts! (Or was it volume?) -- Ken Bibb "he heard the snow falling faintly through the kbibb@qualcomm.com universe and faintly falling, like the descent of jester@crash.cts.com their last end, upon all the living and the dead." --"The Dead", James Joyce
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!olivea!spool.mu.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!network.ucsd.edu!qualcom.qualcomm.com!maui!kbibb From: kbibb@maui.qualcomm.com (Ken Bibb) Newsgroups: news.admin.policy Subject: Re: A R G I C allows itself far too much Message-ID: <kbibb.725579561@maui> Date: 28 Dec 92 21:52:41 GMT References: <BzxMJI.LG4@mtholyoke.edu> <root.725487038@maui> <Bzxrs9.Bq1@unix.amherst.edu> <1992Dec28.185055.18248@muddcs.claremont.edu> Sender: news@qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Lines: 47 Nntp-Posting-Host: maui.qualcomm.com